A masked guy breaks down your door w/o an Article III warrant absent exigent circumstances? Yeah, I’d agree. Trick will be that pressing the murder charge would be federal since a federal agent dies in the line of official work (though illegal), which would give the president grounds to push for death.
This is the exact response that should have been proclaimed 8 months ago. Fuck this stupid goddamn fucking country full of sister-fuckers.
Why should that have been proclaimed 8 months ago when the memo came out this week?
Dems had to focus group and poll test it then lawyer check it.
Also have to run it by a few donors and the leadership in Tel Aviv to get instructions. Whatever happens, maintaining and expanding funding comes before literally everything else.
Where have all the “stand yer ground” people been at?
… Dude sorry to break it to you, but they work for ICE
Good news is the people that talk about it like that can’t aim for shit.
A ton of gun buying not a whole lot of gun shooting typically
can’t aim for shit.
which means they will just kill someone else than they aimed for. not sure if it is a win.
I mean, it’s not a win by any means, but if I have to be in a gunfight with people, them not being able to hit their intended target is a massive plus.
I’m not choosing for them to fire. I’ll take all the plus I can get.
ok, that’s fair point
Can’t stand your ground if you’re not at home.
Actually, I’m pretty sure you can depending on the state. Take Zimmerman for example.
Or that one kid, rittenhouse, who put himself into the situation to kill someone.
They are wearing masks in Minnesota, not walking around their neighborhood
You understand that the memo was released this week, ya?
This is more of a Castle Doctrine issue. We’re at home.
Supporting ICE ready to shoot Americans for fighting back against them.
Well, you know, those “stand your ground” people only think that that freedom should belong to them.
Trick will be that pressing the murder charge would be federal since a federal agent dies in the line of official work (though illegal), which would give the president grounds to push for death.
Federal prosecutors are having a real tough time getting juries to convict, and sometimes even indict, citizens accused of assaulting ICE and CBP agents. They have 30 cases against Chicago residents, and so far they’re 0 for 15. They couldn’t get a felony indictment for the sandwich-throwing guy in DC, so they went for a misdemeanor; he was aquitted despite clearly having done it. It is not at all clear to me that the feds could get a conviction for killing someone during what is, legally, a home invasion.
(This is not an incitement of violence towards any federal agents, nor am I advocating for anyone to break any state or federal laws. To any FBI agents reading this, I think you’re very smart and handsome.)
I’m willing to bet large this DOJ has lost more cases than any other administration previously. It’s hilarious.
They had this grand plan to weaponize the DOJ, but no one stopped to ask, “wait, what if everyone on the jury fucking hates us?”
This is exactly why juries exist. Jury nullification isn’t a loophole or a trick. It’s a built-in defense against unjust laws and corrupted executive and judicial officials.
I don’t think any of the cases have been jury nullification, they keep bringing unreasonable charges and the jury doesn’t buy it.
That’s jury nullification. The sandwich guy is a perfect example.
By the letter of the law, he did commit assault. Nobody denies what he did, but the jury decided it was unreasonable.
they keep bringing unreasonable charges and the jury doesn’t buy it.
There’s a term for that, and the term is “jury nullification”.
Not disagreeing with you, but a misdemeanour for throwing a sandwich at someone is a joke.
True, but then again, there was that tow truck driver in LA who towed that ICE car, with flashing police lights, in the middle of a stop. I can’t imagine someone getting away with that if it had been a normal LAPD stop.
The jury would love this kinda case tho. Easy not guilty.
Maybe, assuming you make it out of the encounter alive which seems pretty unlikely. In the pictures and videos of these raids there’s usually at least 6 agents involved. If you drop one or two I don’t think the other four would let you leave or peacefully surrender. If you got all six you might be able to leave or wait for the local PD and turn yourself in to them but all of that sounds pretty unbelievable to me.
Yeah. And feds could kill you in jail pretrial. Idk mostly held by sherrifs or what in fed cases, but cops are on their side.
As soon as you shoot one, they’ll be calling it in. There is no winning in that scenario
If ICE shows up at your door, demanding entry, you have no recourse. The law no longer protects citizens in their own home
Not true, though. We already have videos of people threatening to use 2A if ICE breaks in, and then of ICE leaving… In other words, you can scare them off. Do you think the average ICE agent wants to risk their own life to fuck someone up? No, of course not. They want to risk another ICE agent’s life, not their own.
Federal jury could be stacked, it has been known to happen.
Well Zoners. Don’t miss.
I dont plan to
Okay gun folks, time to defend your homes!
Texas says if I feel threatened on my property, in my car, or at my job, I can shoot first and ask questions later. As a minority I don’t have the luxury of time to determine if you are a threat to my existence.
Fine. There’s more of us than there is of them. They will run out of people before we will.
They are hoping for that. I also think it’s the only way things will change. Stay safe.
To a quote Chevy Chase quote “we’re on the threshold of hell!” Our country needs bombed the fuck out. Nuke us from orbit.
Yeah, but they have more tanks.
Tanks are terribly impractical weapons.
Okay. They have more
F35sBlackbirdsB2sTomahawksDrones[insert alternative of choice here].A lot of resources to be expended on domestic soil, eventually they’ll run out of both weapons and the very working people they need to keep the economy running to (among other things) keep producing weapons, no?
Yes and no. I think you vastly underestimate the military’s stockpile. So, they could subsist for a good while until all the Democrats/“Domestic Terrorists”/Undesirables are dead. Then, they’d just restart. Still though. If the rural farmers from Afghanistan/Iraq can defeat the US military through persistence with sticks, then the same can be done here. Their tactics might even serve as a roadmap.
I mean it’s true they have a lot of stuff, but having stuff alone isn’t all you need to have military success. Stuff is just stuff, it stays still until you use it, and it’s useless unless you use it well.
I mean, something something Bay of Pigs, something something Vietnam, so on and so forth…
Every war is won with 10% weapons and 90% logistics, and a pinch of field intelligence. In a domestic conflict, the “territory” is the same for both parties; it’s very hard to defend a logistics system (the “tail” of your military operation) when it’s in the ‘contested’ territory itself. And this is where the direct action comes in (something something Sabo the Cat!)
And we have more FPV drones.
Those are great for blowing up entire apartment buildings with women and children inside. Not very handy if there are people you do not want to kill.
The US oligarchy has repeatedly shown that it is eager to blow up apartment buildings, schools, or hospitals to kill one “terrorist.”
Mission accomplished
-Republicans
The problem is, if you fire at a kidnapper who breaks down your door they will call back up and they aren’t going to stop until you’re dead.
Fuck ICE.
Monopoly on Violence. The state has it, until the people reassert it collectively.
If they’re kicking down my door, I’m fucked either way. Might as well try to take a few with me and make them more hesitant with the next house.
When they kick down your front door, how you gonna come? With the hands on your head or on the trigger of your gun. When the law breaks in, how you gonna go, shot down on the pavement or waiting in death row? You can crush us, you can bruise us But you’ll have to answer to Oh-oh, the guns of Brixton The money feels good And your life you like it well But surely your time will come As in Heaven as in Hell You see, he feels like Ivan Born under the Brixton sun His game is called survivin’ At the end of the harder they come You know it means no mercy They caught him with a gun No need for the Black Maria Goodbye to the Brixton sun You can crush us, you can bruise us But you’ll have to answer to Oh-oh, the guns of Brixton When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun You can crush us, you can bruise us And even shoot us But oh-oh, the guns of Brixton Shot down on the pavement Waiting in death row His game was survivin’ As in Heaven as in Hell You can crush us, you can bruise us But you’ll have to answer to Oh-oh, the guns of Brixton Oh-oh, the guns of Brixton Oh-oh, the guns of Brixton Oh-oh, the guns of Brixton Oh-oh, the guns of Brixton
They believe they can crush us with this overwhelming brutality. But Nope. We will be like the Irish… never giving up and blowing those mfers up strategically and unendingly. We will not submit.
Always upvote The Clash
That’s really the crux of the issue. The law doesn’t matter when they’re going to kill you before you see the inside of a courtroom
If a person is going to kill you no matter what, what do you gain by not killing them?
Trump’s plan coming to fruition. ICE agent shot, declare martial law, cancel elections.
Don’t let them choose the battlefield. In your home you should prioritize escaping above all else.
Anyone who wants to fight back effectively will HAVE to take the fight to them.
Which should be easy enough - just dress as they do - do we have any latent serial killers around? Because this would be a nice chance for them to start racking up kills. Dress up as ICE, kill some ICE goons, then calmly walk away because not even other ICE can tell you aren’t one of them. Some folks might blow whistles and boo you, that’s about the end of the consequences. If you turn up on security footage - well, no, you really didn’t. ICE did.
Wolverines!
Die defending against fascists vs live to see climate change destroy civilization.
So many decisions.
So the more you kill the better you K/D ratio becomes :)
Right now, they’re not in any real danger, they’re proudboys cosplaying getting others killed. They’ll lose their taste for it if people start defending themselves, then it’ll go to the army. We’ll have to see where that rubber meats the road.
Yeah let’s send their meat down the road
That’s why if the doorkickers come your only thought should be escape. 2A rights should be exercised strategically, tactically and above all, collectively.
Sounds like a problem solved with stockpiling more ammo.
and community collaboration
This one is, by far, the most important.
Fuck yeah open fire!
The only problem I see, when the MAGA fucknut ICE goons assault a MAGA fucknut minority home owner, are the stray bullets zipping all over place. Yep, it’s going to be a Cluster Fuck.
Ngl I’m excited to see this footage
Given how these days, simply ringing a doorbell (usually a geezer) s enough to get you shot to death, I am surprised it’s not happened yet.
What the fuck is the sole commenter on that article even trying to say?
So does the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution.
I wouldn’t take their word for it.
I’m good with this
