• Cruxifux@feddit.nl
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    22 days ago

    Funny how 76 percent voting to keep the soviet union in tact wasn’t enough to stop Yeltsin from dissolving it. Its almost like it was purely performative and the will of the people didn’t actually matter. Almost like Yeltsin was compromised by capitalism.

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      22 days ago

      This is wrong in so many levels.

      First of all the vote wasn’t for the whole Union because there were countries that outright rejected the idea of the union and never voted in the first place. 76% is only of the number people who voted actually voted, that’s not indicative of the whole union.

      And secondly the vote was for a reformed Union, not a continuation of the existing union. If the course of events had continued in the reformation of the union the union we know in the history books still would’ve ceased to exist.

      And finally, with this not being a fact but generally accepted in the academia, people voted for stability not for the union. When it became apparent there won’t be any stability people decided to fend for themselves. By the time Yeltsin dissolved the union it was already on its death bed.

      It’s also why none of the countries stayed socialist, because soviet socialism was a failure and instead of taking the time to figure out what a functional socialism would look like countries went with what seemingly worked, capitalism. Stability was more important than staying socialist, especially when the only empirical evidence of socialism was ultimately a failure.

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        22 days ago

        calling soviet socialism failure is crazy. You know that it made semi feudal russia and other soviet countries and turned them into global superpower? More women rights, no homelessness, food on everyones table (except famines in early years), free education, free healthcare, rapid industrialization and much more.

        Truth is, soviet union broke due to 3 decades of revisionism they went into after death of stalin and the uncontrolled bureaucracy. Soviet socialism was a big success and improved lives of people massively.

        Almost all former soviet countries are worse off in multiple indicators today than they were in soviet.

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      22 days ago

      If communism is so great why did east germany and north korea need to build giant walls to prevent people from leaving?

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        22 days ago

        If communism is so bad and crumbles on its own, why did USA went on cold war with a country far more war torn and backward than them? why USA always tried to overthrow communist govt? why USA assasinated allende (who was a democratically elected marxist leader) and established pinochet (who was a authoritarian dictator) in chile? why did USA embargo Cuba? Why did France assassinate thomas sankara? Why did USA bomb vietnam? If communism is so bad, just let it crumble on its own? But no worlds biggest powers will try everything they can to break revolution, ofcourse they will succeed but our time will come. Dw

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        22 days ago

        No no you have it backwards. The wall was to stop the capitalists getting in.

        In Soviet Russia, wall builds you.

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        22 days ago

        Because they were satellite states of Russia. In the same vein, the capitalist satellite states (much of Africa, the Arab world, and South Asia) faired FAR worse injustices under capitalism.