• tomiant@piefed.social
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    14 hours ago

    You vote left because you want the best for the general good of society, you vote right because you want what’s best for yourself, in particular.

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      2 hours ago

      You also vote far right if you’re willing to sacrifice something yourself to make sure no one ever gets it without having to make heavy sacrifices to do so. Life is pain, princess. Anyone who says differently is selling something! /s

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      9 hours ago

      Plenty of people also vote right based on hate and fear. They’ll vote against there own best interests because of hate and fear.

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        9 hours ago

        I don’t believe this. People may have multiple agendas. They may hate foreigners or cultures, but people’s allegiances are always first and foremost to their own, to keep living in the most comfortable way they can with the lowest possible eftort. It’s kind of game theoretical in some sense.

        Game theory occupies itself with the adversary roles of generosity (a moral principle) and calculation (a purely rational one), and in some way you could say that in a system which only allows one of two outcomes, a lot of assumptions are subsumed under those two separate outcomes.

        What if Candidate A is for lower taxes, higher immigration and Candidate B is for higher taxes and lower immigration?

        What if both candidates agree on lower taxes and lower immigration, but one of them also proposes reinstating slavery, and the other one wants none of it but instead mandatory abortions?

        In a two party state you don’t get enough fine grained resolution to deal with problems that require any complexity beyond perfectly white and perfectly black.

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      13 hours ago

      The sad thing is, that’s not even true.

      Most poor world be better off under left wing ideals, yet they vote right wing anyway because they’re scared that brown people will steal their crumbs.

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        9 hours ago

        (But actually that guy in the middle doesn’t just have this plate full of cookies. He owns a huge vessel full of cookies)

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          There’s a twisted sort of logic to this. Let’s put ourselves in the position of that worker with one cookie for a second.

          Two things are true in America:

          1. the rich don’t pay taxes
          2. benefits cost money

          If the worker feels caught between those two things, he has to ask which he can change more easily. And clearly, denying benefits to the poor is easier than taxing the rich. In today’s climate, there is a “deny benefits to the poor” party that is very well mobilized and has delivered numerous victories. And where is the “tax the rich” option? Nowhere.

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        10 hours ago

        But rich white men stealing their crumbs is fine because they aren’t brown

        Better than than Jose over there, a hard working fine gentleman, getting his needs met

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          8 hours ago

          The funny bit is that sometimes José too is a conservative, which is how you see plenty of immigrants doing the whole “pull the ladder up once you’re in” and voting rightwing.

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          10 hours ago

          But rich white men stealing their crumbs is fine because they don’t realize it’s happening

          ftfy

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        9 hours ago

        It is true for the general disposition. Do you vote in your own interests vs do you vote in the general best interest. Your motivations may be malicious or incompetent, a two party system doesn’t discern.