Oh it was so much more beyond that. And it’s seems like , by looking at the dv ratios, they’ve forgotten their shame.
If you made any obvious criticisms of the campaign, you were dv’d to oblivion. If you pushed that Biden should be removed as candidate, you were dv’d to oblivion. If you were promoting the idea that the party needed to pivot on Gaza or they’d lose the election, dv’d to oblivion. That Bidens mid summer attempt at the worst border bill we’d ever seen would lose him the election. And on and on and on… I mean they litterally bullied people even mentioning third parties in a way that I think should have gotten them banned permanently from Lemmy. And how many votes did all of the third parties get? not even enough to make a difference to a fart in the wind.
Every single issue that could have turned the tide for the Dems this last election cycle, the same people downvoting in this thread, they downvoted those same things in the run up to the election.
AND THAT is why they are blue MAGA. This is a team sport for them. They can not withstand criticism of what they’ve come to associate their identity with. It’s always that you just need to get in behind the party, no matter how bad the parties ideas are. And the biggest issue these people don’t recognize: if you are downvoting in this thread **you are why the Dems lost **
The Dems were running bad candidates and worse strategies. They needed to be corrected. And defending them from that critique, preventing them from hearing it by keeping out of the mainstream for as long as they were able to, that is what lost the election. There was ample time to course correct in Summer of 24. But blue MAGA insisted you have to run the incubamant, in spite of the fact they were polling at some of the lowest levels in history and had been since almost 23.
And we had a repreive from these idiots for about 12 months while they hid from the shame of the damage they did. Now they’re back and they seem to think they’ve got the right of it again.
And how many votes did all of the third parties get? not even enough to make a difference to a fart in the wind.
Moreover, Dems sued to keep the Socialist Workers’ Party candidate, Claudia De La Cruz off the ballot – but only in swing states. They knew they were selling a cold crap sandwich, and rather than change the message, they courted the far Reich wing.
They can not withstand criticism of what they’ve come to associate their identity with. It’s always that you just need to get in behind the party, no matter how bad the parties ideas are.
I see them as a mix of that, and loss aversion "FU I got mine!” voters. Rather than work to build up and promote a better candidate, they will absolutely push their drowning kindred under the water to keep themselves afloat.
They don’t care. And when Reich Wing Lite loses to full - blown Reich Wing, they will cling bitterly to the idea it was people who envision better, for more of us and work for it, rather than take it for the data points from which to learn and envision better for everyone, and blame this who have the vision, grit, and gumption to work for it.
But we’re winning this fight. We’ve made huge strides in getting the narrative that actually, its the Democratic party thats the problem, over the course of the past 2 years. But we’re still not there yet.
Until the working class completely subverts the DNC to their collective will, and actually democratizes the party, we’re not there yet. And every apologist who tells you to vote against your own interests because ABWD is part of the problem.
I don’t think the dnc is worth saving. Snarling wolves and smiling foxes analogy. But I bet a good SWP candidate like De La Cruz is absolutely worth fighting for.
I have been having RL conversations with neighbors, who have everything to lose and are extremely loss adverse, with their heads barely above water. "If we don’t hold our own accountable and show them they’re replaceable, why would they court our votes and not the racists?” Most hear me out. One thinks I’m maga.
"If we don’t hold our own accountable and show them they’re replaceable, why would they court our votes and not the racists?”
I mean thats exactly it. If they’ve taken your vote for a given, and they will if they can, they won’t compete for it. And it loses elections.
aaaaaAAAANNnnndd…
When it is feckless Democrats who do get into office, and they do jack about shit… Where does that leave us, on the ground, trying to make the argument that people should vote for this party. When Schumer and Jefferies just roll over and show their bellies to the Trumps of the worlds, how the hell do they expect me to make an argument to an unconvinced voter who doesn’t believe that government can be effective, how do I convince that voter that things can be different?
if you are downvoting in this thread **you are why the Dems lost **
Oh, get over yourself. There were plenty of reasons to downvote your comment. The fact that people disagree with what you’re saying doesn’t affect the outcome of any elections. You never know, you could be being downvoted by actual MAGA, not the “Blue MAGA” or whatever label you’ve branded us with.
Sounds like you have a reading comprehension problem. I downvoted you for being so condescending, it had nothing to do with politics.
You think the only reason someone would downvote you (god forbid) is because they’re emotionally attached to a political party? That’s laughable. Like I said earlier, get over yourself.
A tone argument (also called tone policing) is a type of ad hominem aimed at the tone of an argument instead of its factual or logical content in order to dismiss a person’s argument.
Please show me where I disagreed with anything you said. Where did I “dismiss a person’s argument”? I’ll wait. But I’ll be waiting a long time because all I did was say I downvoted you for being so condescending.
Oh it was so much more beyond that. And it’s seems like , by looking at the dv ratios, they’ve forgotten their shame.
If you made any obvious criticisms of the campaign, you were dv’d to oblivion. If you pushed that Biden should be removed as candidate, you were dv’d to oblivion. If you were promoting the idea that the party needed to pivot on Gaza or they’d lose the election, dv’d to oblivion. That Bidens mid summer attempt at the worst border bill we’d ever seen would lose him the election. And on and on and on… I mean they litterally bullied people even mentioning third parties in a way that I think should have gotten them banned permanently from Lemmy. And how many votes did all of the third parties get? not even enough to make a difference to a fart in the wind.
Every single issue that could have turned the tide for the Dems this last election cycle, the same people downvoting in this thread, they downvoted those same things in the run up to the election.
AND THAT is why they are blue MAGA. This is a team sport for them. They can not withstand criticism of what they’ve come to associate their identity with. It’s always that you just need to get in behind the party, no matter how bad the parties ideas are. And the biggest issue these people don’t recognize: if you are downvoting in this thread **you are why the Dems lost **
The Dems were running bad candidates and worse strategies. They needed to be corrected. And defending them from that critique, preventing them from hearing it by keeping out of the mainstream for as long as they were able to, that is what lost the election. There was ample time to course correct in Summer of 24. But blue MAGA insisted you have to run the incubamant, in spite of the fact they were polling at some of the lowest levels in history and had been since almost 23.
And we had a repreive from these idiots for about 12 months while they hid from the shame of the damage they did. Now they’re back and they seem to think they’ve got the right of it again.
Moreover, Dems sued to keep the Socialist Workers’ Party candidate, Claudia De La Cruz off the ballot – but only in swing states. They knew they were selling a cold crap sandwich, and rather than change the message, they courted the far Reich wing.
I see them as a mix of that, and loss aversion "FU I got mine!” voters. Rather than work to build up and promote a better candidate, they will absolutely push their drowning kindred under the water to keep themselves afloat.
They don’t care. And when Reich Wing Lite loses to full - blown Reich Wing, they will cling bitterly to the idea it was people who envision better, for more of us and work for it, rather than take it for the data points from which to learn and envision better for everyone, and blame this who have the vision, grit, and gumption to work for it.
Fortune favors the bold. And rich.
100%
But we’re winning this fight. We’ve made huge strides in getting the narrative that actually, its the Democratic party thats the problem, over the course of the past 2 years. But we’re still not there yet.
Until the working class completely subverts the DNC to their collective will, and actually democratizes the party, we’re not there yet. And every apologist who tells you to vote against your own interests because ABWD is part of the problem.
I don’t think the dnc is worth saving. Snarling wolves and smiling foxes analogy. But I bet a good SWP candidate like De La Cruz is absolutely worth fighting for.
I have been having RL conversations with neighbors, who have everything to lose and are extremely loss adverse, with their heads barely above water. "If we don’t hold our own accountable and show them they’re replaceable, why would they court our votes and not the racists?” Most hear me out. One thinks I’m maga.
I mean thats exactly it. If they’ve taken your vote for a given, and they will if they can, they won’t compete for it. And it loses elections.
aaaaaAAAANNnnndd…
When it is feckless Democrats who do get into office, and they do jack about shit… Where does that leave us, on the ground, trying to make the argument that people should vote for this party. When Schumer and Jefferies just roll over and show their bellies to the Trumps of the worlds, how the hell do they expect me to make an argument to an unconvinced voter who doesn’t believe that government can be effective, how do I convince that voter that things can be different?
Oh, get over yourself. There were plenty of reasons to downvote your comment. The fact that people disagree with what you’re saying doesn’t affect the outcome of any elections. You never know, you could be being downvoted by actual MAGA, not the “Blue MAGA” or whatever label you’ve branded us with.
Sounds like you’ve got an emotional attachment to a political party and feel as if you are being attacked.
Sounds like you have a reading comprehension problem. I downvoted you for being so condescending, it had nothing to do with politics.
You think the only reason someone would downvote you (god forbid) is because they’re emotionally attached to a political party? That’s laughable. Like I said earlier, get over yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_policing
First sentence in your link:
Please show me where I disagreed with anything you said. Where did I “dismiss a person’s argument”? I’ll wait. But I’ll be waiting a long time because all I did was say I downvoted you for being so condescending.
Edit: typo
I mean weren’t you quite literally just making an accusation of lacking reading comprehension?
You aren’t engaging with the substance of my argument, and instead try and dismiss it based on its tone. As you said:
You are tone policing. You can’t/ won’t engage with the substance, so you focus on the decorations of the argument.