What would be the problem? They tend to be too brown? Nobody who spouts an overall negative opinion of Islam has ever read the Qur’an, and probably goes around talking ignorant nonsense in general. But 1) the West dislikes personal responsibility, so actually living in accordance with one’s beliefs (that God exists and He will judge us all for our actions, so you better act right) is seen as extreme 2) the American war machine plus attack dogs have been pushing dehumanising and islamophobic narratives (going mega hard for about 3 decades at least but it has been in the Western European cultural background since at least the Crusades/Roman invasion of Judea) so they can better sell their murder and pillaging of the Middle East to those committing the atrocities and their loved ones at home. 🤷
Yeah I’m sure the call for righteousness, self control and maturity that is constantly repeated throughout the Qur’an is something you personally dislike, lol.
Is righteousness the calling for the killing of ex-muslims and the enslavement of other people? Is self control the marriage of very young women to old men? Is maturity beating your wife and controlling every facet of her public life and dress? These things are not righteousness, self control, or maturity.
Of course not, but the Qur’an only talks about killing in the background of a just war (and even then it says it’s better to capture them and then release them if possible, in a time where Rome just came around and raped, murdered and pillaged without even the need for narratives, lol), makes no mention of old men marrying children (???) nor beating your wife! You’re confusing the culture around the Qur’an made by horny and power hungry men (nothing new there, lol). Jesus never talked about pretty much everything done in his name for about 2000 years by Rome, the church and Western powers, yet his message remains true regardless, right?
Your “prophet” married a six year old at the age of about 53. The quaran is vague on “marrying age” mentioned in scripture but the actions of believers shows the number is low.
nor beating your wife
Quaran 4 verse 34
The teachings and actions of Jesus are pure, the institutions failed him. The teachings and actions of Muhammed are flawed, and the institutions that follow him are worse.
not to say that any action is justified against muslims, but the quran is just as bad as any religious text. i don’t need to learn everything about scientology to be able to dismiss it, why should it be different for islam? or any christian sect and the rest too
Have you read any of it? 🙄 I’m pretty sure the Sermon of the Mount and Ecclesiastes are very different from the doctrines of Satanism wherever they’re written, lol, you can’t just put all belief in one bag because you don’t know what belief is!
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
II
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
III
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
IV
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one’s own.
V
Beliefs should conform to one’s best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one’s beliefs.
VI
People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one’s best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
VII
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
I am not a satanist, but these are the tenets of the satanic temple.
Damn, that’s pretty moral and nice and not devilish at all, lol. Whatever Marylin Manson was acting up to be is what I thought Satanism was, but I see could be a Satanist! 😂
Indeed we can. Because “belief” is not based on reason. Therefor it is ALL in the same basket as something I don’t want in my government. If I believed (get it!) any of them could be trusted to govern in a secular manner I might be less salty. But I have been given very little evidence that they** can.
** They = anyone who openly, loudly, repeatedly identifies themselves by their magical thinking while campaigning / governing. They are more than welcome to believe what they want so long as they keep it out of the way of deciding my way of life. I still hold a place in my heart that thinks that’s possible, but it is getting smaller every day as I watch the [religious text]-thumpers screaming louder and louder.
Belief just means standing for something. I believe in generosity, self control, avoidance of violence, the proper treatment of women and children, etc etc. I’ll stand behind it regardless of what you say. The Qur’an also advocates this, and people agree with it so they “believe” in what’s written. Only believing in the Creator Himself and everything that happens after death requires any sort of “effort”, and even the former I would say is self evident!
Religion is neither necessary nor sufficient to engender qualities of generosity, self-control, avoiding violence / advocating for peace, treating people well etc.
Those also aren’t the types of “beliefs” I’m talking about and you know it. I specifically mentioned magical thinking and in this context “belief” is not a reference to believing in being generous, but belief in the supernatural, god, spirits, etc … magical thinking. More to the point, believing in those, the books that espouse them, and expecting other’s around you to believe / act based on those same beliefs is my problem; doubly so when preached from my elected representatives.
What would be the problem? They tend to be too brown? Nobody who spouts an overall negative opinion of Islam has ever read the Qur’an, and probably goes around talking ignorant nonsense in general. But 1) the West dislikes personal responsibility, so actually living in accordance with one’s beliefs (that God exists and He will judge us all for our actions, so you better act right) is seen as extreme 2) the American war machine plus attack dogs have been pushing dehumanising and islamophobic narratives (going mega hard for about 3 decades at least but it has been in the Western European cultural background since at least the Crusades/Roman invasion of Judea) so they can better sell their murder and pillaging of the Middle East to those committing the atrocities and their loved ones at home. 🤷
Inversely anyone who has critically read the Qur’an also usually holds and overall negative opinion on Islam.
Yeah I’m sure the call for righteousness, self control and maturity that is constantly repeated throughout the Qur’an is something you personally dislike, lol.
Is righteousness the calling for the killing of ex-muslims and the enslavement of other people? Is self control the marriage of very young women to old men? Is maturity beating your wife and controlling every facet of her public life and dress? These things are not righteousness, self control, or maturity.
Of course not, but the Qur’an only talks about killing in the background of a just war (and even then it says it’s better to capture them and then release them if possible, in a time where Rome just came around and raped, murdered and pillaged without even the need for narratives, lol), makes no mention of old men marrying children (???) nor beating your wife! You’re confusing the culture around the Qur’an made by horny and power hungry men (nothing new there, lol). Jesus never talked about pretty much everything done in his name for about 2000 years by Rome, the church and Western powers, yet his message remains true regardless, right?
Surah 4 verses 89-90
Your “prophet” married a six year old at the age of about 53. The quaran is vague on “marrying age” mentioned in scripture but the actions of believers shows the number is low.
Quaran 4 verse 34
The teachings and actions of Jesus are pure, the institutions failed him. The teachings and actions of Muhammed are flawed, and the institutions that follow him are worse.
I’ve read the Q’uran. Let’s not lie about its contents.
That being said, their instinctive hate for Muslims is another reason to despise conservatives.
not to say that any action is justified against muslims, but the quran is just as bad as any religious text. i don’t need to learn everything about scientology to be able to dismiss it, why should it be different for islam? or any christian sect and the rest too
Have you read any of it? 🙄 I’m pretty sure the Sermon of the Mount and Ecclesiastes are very different from the doctrines of Satanism wherever they’re written, lol, you can’t just put all belief in one bag because you don’t know what belief is!
THERE ARE SEVEN FUNDAMENTAL TENETS
I
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
II
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
III
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
IV
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one’s own.
V
Beliefs should conform to one’s best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one’s beliefs.
VI
People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one’s best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
VII
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
I am not a satanist, but these are the tenets of the satanic temple.
Edit: formatting
Damn, that’s pretty moral and nice and not devilish at all, lol. Whatever Marylin Manson was acting up to be is what I thought Satanism was, but I see could be a Satanist! 😂
Marylin Manson was trying to sell concert tickets to edgy teenagers.
Indeed we can. Because “belief” is not based on reason. Therefor it is ALL in the same basket as something I don’t want in my government. If I believed (get it!) any of them could be trusted to govern in a secular manner I might be less salty. But I have been given very little evidence that they** can.
** They = anyone who openly, loudly, repeatedly identifies themselves by their magical thinking while campaigning / governing. They are more than welcome to believe what they want so long as they keep it out of the way of deciding my way of life. I still hold a place in my heart that thinks that’s possible, but it is getting smaller every day as I watch the [religious text]-thumpers screaming louder and louder.
Belief just means standing for something. I believe in generosity, self control, avoidance of violence, the proper treatment of women and children, etc etc. I’ll stand behind it regardless of what you say. The Qur’an also advocates this, and people agree with it so they “believe” in what’s written. Only believing in the Creator Himself and everything that happens after death requires any sort of “effort”, and even the former I would say is self evident!
Religion is neither necessary nor sufficient to engender qualities of generosity, self-control, avoiding violence / advocating for peace, treating people well etc.
Those also aren’t the types of “beliefs” I’m talking about and you know it. I specifically mentioned magical thinking and in this context “belief” is not a reference to believing in being generous, but belief in the supernatural, god, spirits, etc … magical thinking. More to the point, believing in those, the books that espouse them, and expecting other’s around you to believe / act based on those same beliefs is my problem; doubly so when preached from my elected representatives.
well they are all just stories, so in the “base your life on it” sense it doesn’t matter. have you read any satanist texts?
No, but now I know not to go by names only, it seems pretty reasonable and nice, haha.