I’d add on that most on the left have also studied enough to know that people love martyrs and that very few deaths of public figures would substantially change our society.
I’d describe myself as a raging leftist, and I can count on one hand the people whose assassination I think would result in beneficial change for our society even with any blowback of support and counter assassinations. MTG has never been close to that level.
Dismantling systems of oppression and changing the way people think is far more effective.
I agree. MTG is small potatoes. If she dropped dead tomorrow of natural causes (or an eagle dropping a turtle on her head) it would be fun for a moment but change nothing.
Hell the way things are going if Trump drops dead tomorrow it won’t shake things up long term. (And they probably already have contingencies for that. Given his deteriorating mind and body he won’t live that much longer).
The issue with this thinking is that you assume that once those in power will easily let it go. We are in a time right now where kids are dumber than ever and social media controls their lives. Its how Andrew taint got so big. Gotta get rid of the fascist first before you can change the education system to fix what they have broken, otherwise they’ll do it all over again.
Shoot the dictator and prevent the war? But the dictator is merely the tip of the whole festering boil of social pus from which dictators emerge; shoot one, and there’ll be another one along in a minute. Shoot him too? Why not shoot everyone and invade Poland?
You get rid of the fascists by dismantling the systemic structures that allows them to obtain power of authority over others. You do that by educating others and getting them to disobey the current system in favor of something new.
The entire basis of authoritarian power is people “just following orders” of the established authority. If the fascists can’t obtain systemic power of authority to order others around in the first place then they have no ability to engage in their systemic oppression because those who they try to dictate the actions of will be empowered to tell them to go fuck themselves.
Silly me I was constantly told we did exactly that yet here we are.
How do you fix the fact that certain personalities that just happen to like fascism will do jobs that allow them to take advantage like police work and joining the military? You can’t force pacifists to be police. Most people seem to think I’m nuts for wanting mandatory military service (that way everyone in the country is trained for war). So to me this just seems like wishful thinking.
These people voting for this had parents in world war 2, ffs. You can’t tell me they needed to be educated. They were! I was raised by world war 2 veterans. They CONSTANTLY spoke about what they went through!
I wish you were right, but I’ve seen far too many damn bullies get punched straight in their heads and come out a better person for it that I just don’t buy what you’re selling anymore.
You seriously just didn’t understand a word I said.
You are still thinking those systems would exist as they currently do. That’s the entire problem.
How do you stop people from taking advantage of police and military positions? By abolishing those systems and replacing them with one that isn’t built on hierarchical authority.
You abolish the system of electoralism that is fundamentally hierarchical and replace it with an entirely different systemic structure.
Please for the love of God educate yourself on different political systems and ideologies. You limit yourself by staying ignorant.
And here is the thing, what I’m proposing is still inevitably going to lead to violence. It’s just a fact that the current authority will retaliate to oppress us if we begin to build alternatives to their authority. But we have to build those alternatives before we remove the current one, otherwise what comes after will just be worse than before.
Many people on the left do have guns, but they also have other things to go along with guns: self-control and a sense of decency.
I’d add on that most on the left have also studied enough to know that people love martyrs and that very few deaths of public figures would substantially change our society.
I’d describe myself as a raging leftist, and I can count on one hand the people whose assassination I think would result in beneficial change for our society even with any blowback of support and counter assassinations. MTG has never been close to that level.
Dismantling systems of oppression and changing the way people think is far more effective.
Go on… name them!
I’m assuming Trump, Thiel, Bezos, Netanyahu, and one free spin
Should really be two hands.
Maybe add a foot too…
I agree. MTG is small potatoes. If she dropped dead tomorrow of natural causes (or an eagle dropping a turtle on her head) it would be fun for a moment but change nothing.
Hell the way things are going if Trump drops dead tomorrow it won’t shake things up long term. (And they probably already have contingencies for that. Given his deteriorating mind and body he won’t live that much longer).
The issue with this thinking is that you assume that once those in power will easily let it go. We are in a time right now where kids are dumber than ever and social media controls their lives. Its how Andrew taint got so big. Gotta get rid of the fascist first before you can change the education system to fix what they have broken, otherwise they’ll do it all over again.
You get rid of the fascists by dismantling the systemic structures that allows them to obtain power of authority over others. You do that by educating others and getting them to disobey the current system in favor of something new.
The entire basis of authoritarian power is people “just following orders” of the established authority. If the fascists can’t obtain systemic power of authority to order others around in the first place then they have no ability to engage in their systemic oppression because those who they try to dictate the actions of will be empowered to tell them to go fuck themselves.
Silly me I was constantly told we did exactly that yet here we are.
How do you fix the fact that certain personalities that just happen to like fascism will do jobs that allow them to take advantage like police work and joining the military? You can’t force pacifists to be police. Most people seem to think I’m nuts for wanting mandatory military service (that way everyone in the country is trained for war). So to me this just seems like wishful thinking.
These people voting for this had parents in world war 2, ffs. You can’t tell me they needed to be educated. They were! I was raised by world war 2 veterans. They CONSTANTLY spoke about what they went through!
I wish you were right, but I’ve seen far too many damn bullies get punched straight in their heads and come out a better person for it that I just don’t buy what you’re selling anymore.
You seriously just didn’t understand a word I said.
You are still thinking those systems would exist as they currently do. That’s the entire problem.
How do you stop people from taking advantage of police and military positions? By abolishing those systems and replacing them with one that isn’t built on hierarchical authority.
You abolish the system of electoralism that is fundamentally hierarchical and replace it with an entirely different systemic structure.
Please for the love of God educate yourself on different political systems and ideologies. You limit yourself by staying ignorant.
And here is the thing, what I’m proposing is still inevitably going to lead to violence. It’s just a fact that the current authority will retaliate to oppress us if we begin to build alternatives to their authority. But we have to build those alternatives before we remove the current one, otherwise what comes after will just be worse than before.
They know the price of guns.