A few days ago, Davuluri shared his excitement about it on his official X handle. He seemed very eager to reveal what the company has in mind at the upcoming Ignite event regarding the agentic OS plans.
Unfortunately for Microsoft and Davuluri, the response has been overwhelmingly negative, so much so that the comments on that X post have now been disabled.
Made me laugh. :)
Former windows user here, ever since I used Win11 for the first time in 2022 I saw how buggy and useless it was. And it was clear to me that someday win10 will stop receiving updates.
I decided to get onto Linux and I am proud of myself that I tasted nearly all the distributions and tried them all.
Pure arch, Manjaro, EndeavourOS, CachyOS, Debian, Linux mint, Tuxedo OS, MX Linux, Zoroin OS, Nix OS, Alpine Linux, OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Kali Linux, Fedora KDE, Fedora Workstation, Fedora KDE Silverblue, etc.
Linux mint, Tuxedo OS, MX Linux, ZoroinOS are the best for new comers from Windows and all are based on Debian.
I actually found pure Debian to be perfect for me as a newcomer a few years back.
Writing as a new CachyOS user, this is like finishing a move from Florida to New York, and then learning there’s another two hurricanes headed for your old hometown.
Legitimately. Fedora Bluefin here. Giving the atomic thing a try 😁
Microsoft […] gets massive backlash
Pretty much since the release of Windows 10, Microsoft has been getting backlash because of the invasive, hostile and insane decisions they make and force on their users. It’s gotten particularly vocal since W11 and the EOL of Windows 10.
Yet, everybody seems to eat the plate of shit MS serves them. They complain, but most people dont seem to want to put in effort to rid themselves of Microsoft.
I could cry.
Windows 11 made me a Linux user. I stopped eating their shit.
Microsoft […] gets massive backlash
“Fine, then we’re going to do it twice as hard and half as good!” -Microsoft
Its not even a lot of effort. Ask anyone using Linux and they will be happy to help.
> Ask
And then ask again each and every single time something doesn’t work. Or you need to install something. Something is badly configured.
You need at least medium level tech literacy to deal with Linux. Maaaaybe entry level with Mint and the like, but still, if you get skittish due to console, at which 70% of worlds population at minimum does, Linux ain’t for you.
Windows is successful because it’s easy to understand and holds your hand as much as possible. People who are complaining are quite often folk who are simply forced to use it, most people don’t really see anything wrong, even those using tech more…
There are linux distributions doing all this for you too.
Your grandma does not need the console to open a browser window.
I even mentioned Mint and that it drops problems to lower level, so? My grandma barely grasped the concept of a browser and had problems understanding how to use google.
And sure as hell when she got some custom-software disc from hospital with embedded images from her x-ray or whatever it’s called, I wouldn’t want her to need to also deal with Linux possibly not being able to run it.
This is not true. I’ve helped lots of people install Linux on their old laptops, they used them until the hardware stopped working and I rarely if ever got any questions or requests for help.
Because it just worked.
Yeah there’s also the issue of how much time someone has available to spend on their system. In a lot of cases, it simply isn’t a big part of someone’s life and the spend the least amount of time on it. All of a sudden they’re going to spend the time to learn about this new and huge thing and then do it themselves?
Wao, you’re so full of it. Windows is the one OS that keeps people wondering why shit doesn’t work. You’ve either never installed and used Linux in the last 10 years, or are butthurt that you’ve defended windows for years and now you’re at the end of your rope, as are they.
I think he has a really good point. I consider myself acceptably tech literate, I’m not afraid of the command line even if I don’t really understand how to use it, I’ve built my own computers for years, and I have a pretty custom configuration of Windows.
One thing a windows user can typically be sure of is that if it’s meant to work, it probably will. There is a pretty black and white environment of what’s possible and what isn’t. Linux is very much more “give it a shot” style computing for beginners. It breaks much more easily, it can be very confusing to configure, and it’s just different.
I think if it similarly to cars. Some people, like myself, love driving, enjoy tinkering with the car, maybe drive a standard for they joy of it. But most people just want a car to take them to work and the store. Most people just want a computer to work, either for their job or their hobby, but the hobby isn’t tinkering with software. The fact that even the very packaged and polished distros can require more than basic tech literacy to configure is likely what turns a lot of people away, whether or not that’s actually the case.
And getting snippy saying somebody is butthurt (which is fucking homophobic btw) is absolutely going to keep pushing people away if they think the community is full of holier than thou Linux nerds that don’t understand how to communicate with normal people.
I’m currently experimenting with different distros right now and am having a similar experience to the person you are replying to.
You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
Heh, I’m literally in the same boat as you - testing distros and such. And I studied programming for some time so I have above average tech literacy and yet still I had to spend some time learning how to get old wi-fi on a laptop to work (thankfully well documented), and I still have to tinker with which distro will be best for my hardware as it’s not only kinda old, but also I have nvidia card and some wierd wifi so I am ready for things to be weird.
And I hope I didn’t come off as saying that Linux is some insurmountable wall for everyday folk in original comment but as you pointed out - everyday folk ain’t willing to deal with any problems in the first place.
XKCD comic about specialists expectations towards everyday folk come to mind xD
I love watching users of proprietary software suffer.
Hang’em high!
There must be some unaccounted for survivorship bias in the data for the MS to get it this wrong. Not even about agenda just PR they are operating on bad assumptions which is just bad for business.
Well yes, that data source is called stockholders. They eed to ride the hype. Honestly they really don’t have much choice. Either make the users happy or the stockholders. They can’t do both, it’s impossible at this stage. Want to guess which side wins?
I wonder if they’re asking their AI.
Iam even more happy to be using Linux 😎
Yeah the ones who went that path now can be super happy about it. We have the best desktop in the world.
If only my computer was constantly hooked up to cloud AI watching everything I do! -No one ever.
Microsoft’s Windows chief Pavan Davuluri had earlier hinted at such plans already about how the next evolution of OS will make it capable enough to “semantically understand you” as Windows will get “more ambient, more pervasive, more multi-modal”. Using features like Copilot Vision it will be able to “look at your screen” and do more.
Since when did corpos try to reframe the word “pervasive” as something positive?
At least 30 years.
If you are evil it is…
Damn I really missed my opportunity
this phrasing had to be intentional xD no social media worker can be this clueless
I think the same about the sandwich company that asked people to share how they “top their subs”.
I hate how tech companies just constantly want to change everything.
Just give me something usable that I can get shit done with and fuck off. I don’t want your changes and updates and new feature.
It’s about keeping us guessing and reminding us who’s in charge.
They don’t want us to get attached to things.
That’s one thing I love about FOSS, that the only stakeholders are the devs and the users. The goal is to make software that’s good at what it does.
When it comes to any tech company’s product, you not only have all the stakeholders that corrupt the end product, but you have giant teams of marketers, designers, engineers, and managers that need to constantly justify their existence and or be efficiently utilized at all times.
Honestly it’s like lesser version of enshittification, the tendency of commercial products to always be changing things.
While this is true, designers are constatnly beholden to management (much like programmers are), so while designers would love to create a nice looking usable application, they end up having to go with the mockups that management requested which are of course a worse experience for the end-user.
It’s really sad.
i feel like a lot of useless bullshit wouldn’t be made if managers and execs didn’t feel the need to validate their useless existence.
In FOSS world, this is only as true for the subset of developers (including both programmers and designers) that are contributing code as their job duties. Additionally that effect is only prominent in projects that are dominated by one organization. Both those things do happen, but there’s also numerous exceptions, too.
Some developers are paid to write unrelated proprietary code and the developer also contributes to open source on their free time. Some projects have so many corporate contributors that none of them can single-handedly direct the development.
Oh, sorry, I wasn’t referencing the FOSS world with my comment. I was responding to the tech company’s part.
My comment was specifically about designers working for companies, with management forcing them to design things in a way that they would rather not.
It’s kind of less about designers having to justify their existence (although, yes, there are far more often entire re-designs that seem like nothing else about this) and more about them being forced to create designs that management want, rather than what end-users want.
That’s what my comment was about.
I mean, then you’re describing bog-standard capitalistic exploitation, and it’s not exclusive to designers.
Sure yeah, my comment originally mentioned designers and developers, but I was too tired to remember that in my follow-up comment.
It’s hard to be extremely detailed and also remember every single detail of what I was mentioning as well.
Oh I’m well aware, that’s why I threw in the part about needing to be utilized. Because even if the engineers are good with their finished product, some VP will eventually ask their director why the team’s output has dropped or why they have so many people for so little work.
I’m an engineer working on a new product right now. Fortunately we’re a small outfit with niche customers.
They have to because the capitalist imperative of infinite, progressive growth forces them to constantly seek out additional speculative avenues for profit. The potential for a valuable product (stock) is more valuable than a good product and is cheaper to produce than a good product.
It is important to note that you are also a product in a surveillance capitalist state thaf commodifies every second of your day. The speculative value on more profitable avenues to source and sell your data has more speculative value than anything your patronage would generate.
Excel 97 was perfect. Now I can barely find the shit I actually need to use because of all the “features” they’ve added to justify their jobs.
Yeah, at least fix the bugs first.
Windows has had a bug that’s driven me mad since before Windows 10 and it doesn’t seem they have any intentention to fix it.
When I try to rename files, I always click somewhere in the text of the name or highlight a specific portion, and then 90% of the time RIGHT before I start typing to add or change the name, it randomly highlights the entire thing so the whole text gets replaced instead of the one section I wanted to change.
INFURIATING and it’s been years that it’s happened, between two different versions of Windows!
There’s also another 2 or 3 other bugs that are just as infuriating but I don’t imagine will ever be fixed or changed because why the fuck would microsoft care.
See, now that they’ve strongarmed everyone into using their new shitty OS and no longer using the old kind of okay one, they can change it however they want and all their users are stuck with it!
(Excuse me while i cackle madly in linux)
Funny how we’ve forgotten already the rage and backlash from users when it was revealed you could never completely disable telemetry in windows 10.
Now the general attitude is ‘well, it’s not as bad as 11.’
For the better part of a decade I used windows only for gaming, and now I’ve dropped it for that too.
I’m not sure why some people still refuse to consider using an alternative to windows these days.Gaming on Linux has gotten really good thanks to proton. Never look back!
Sadly I’ve got too many programs that don’t work on linux, or don’t work well. And an old synthesizer that I can’t imagine would work on linux unless I made a driver for it myself, and that’s a bit beyond me.
I’m not sure why some people still refuse to consider using an alternative to windows these days.
- Adobe programs
- some online games
- not having to fuck around in CLI if I want to change obscure settings (e.g. regedit or group policies)
Those are the main points that keep me from switching.
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Winboat or Winapps - Both will let you use Adobe programs in linux pretty well with a sandboxed vm. Getting better every day. That is assuming you can’t get done what you need on Open Source software alternatives - some are really good, others are a bit of a let down.
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If you are fully on board with Kernal Anti-Cheat, then you have already given up on actually owning and controlling your PC. That said, there has been talk recently by windows about kicking 3rd parties out of the Kernal, so KAC might actually die soon (we can only pray).
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I’d be curious to know what you are regularly using regedit and group policies to change. For a start, I bet a lot of it can be changed in the settings GUI or aren’t problems that need changing to start with in Linux. Secondly, I think learning CLI is significantly easier than learning regedit - the navigation at least is a lot simpler imo. Unless you are just running .reg files you find on the floor of the internet, if you learned to use regedit you can definitely learn the Linux CLI (as much as you’ll need to in order to do what you want).
Just saying, it is constantly evolving and most of the road blocks are out-dated or hinge on reliance on some other big tech company besides microsoft that is just as far down the enshittification rabbit-hole. It is not a decision you made once and have to keep living with. None of us swore a life-debt to our “team”. :)
- Thanks, I’ll check Winboat and Winapps out! My existing info came from the WineHQ website, and InDesign, Illustrator and Photoshop were all reported as various levels of broken. And yes, sadly the FLOSS alternatives don’t meet my needs, I did quite a bit of research on this a few months ago.
Edit: From a quick search it seems that Winboat and Winapps have the same issue as other virtual machines, namely that you can’t really give them access to the GPU if you only have one. And graphics programs need that GPU access. - I guess some of it is habit, kernel-level anti-cheat has been a thing as long as I’ve been gaming, so it feels “normal” :| But I’m looking forward to the day when my favourite games won’t use it!
- Not using it regularly, but when I do need it, I extremely strongly prefer GUIs to CLI. I’m just a visual person, so it feels important to be able to navigate in a visible interface and see “where I am” and what my actions are affecting. With CLI I find it quite stressful to e.g. have to memorise modifier letters, instead of just clicking a checkbox. I’ve seen screenshots of people doing everything (including PKM) in CLI and it honestly baffles me how they can feel comfortable with it.
Just saying, it is constantly evolving and most of the road blocks are out-dated or hinge on reliance on some other big tech company besides microsoft that is just as far down the enshittification rabbit-hole. It is not a decision you made once and have to keep living with. None of us swore a life-debt to our “team”. :)
Of course! Make no mistake, I feel no affection towards any corporation, their main goal is to bleed us dry for their shareholders. But giving up my fully featured software and favourite games to follow my FLOSS ideals does not seem to quite balance the scales for me yet.
Though disclaimer: if I wasn’t doing piracy, but actually had to pay for Microsoft and Adobe’s rent-seeking, and be subject to all their bullshit restrictions, I would probably have jumped ship years ago. Enterprise group policies can remove a lot of user-hostile crap from Windows.
- Thanks, I’ll check Winboat and Winapps out! My existing info came from the WineHQ website, and InDesign, Illustrator and Photoshop were all reported as various levels of broken. And yes, sadly the FLOSS alternatives don’t meet my needs, I did quite a bit of research on this a few months ago.
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The best part here is that, when the AI bubble pops, AI will become a dirty word for a while before settling in some, much smaller, feature.
MS is going all gas no brakes on AI and when that bubble pops, their entire ecosystem will be toxic and laughable
Corporate suicide is so fun to watch when you’re not stuck using their products.
Indeed…
My Linux story started 15 years ago. I’m a tech guy (systems admin at the time) and reached the “I work with computers all day, don’t need more of that at home” stage (which was insane to think of a few years before)… tried Linux, loved it and still today my house is a junk yard of old computers having their best second life.
EXACTLY parallel to cutting my cable, my experience ditching MS (which I still have to use about 20% at work) has been one where I felt it was needed but hesitant I would miss out, but in all this time, the more I check MS (or cable TV) the more I realize I am missing NOTHING and my life is better for distancing myself from it
Re: missing out
I’ve got friends who tell me they won’t switch to Linux because they want their anti-cheat games. I usually tell them if they took the time to learn their system they’d understand why they don’t want anto-cheat games.
In the last 20 years, I have not found a single piece of software (games excluded, i pay for art when payment is asked) that I, a regular person on the internet, have not been able to source a free open source alternative that while potentially equipped with a steep learning curve is often as good as if not Better than many corporate solutions once learned.
People can pay for pretty, super convenient UIs and proprietary solutions with support contracts if they want to, thats their perogative. I prefer to learn the software myself and if I hate the UI that much that I’d be willing to pay, its worth either just sitting down and making my own with pyside (its quick and easy, learning curve excluded) or paying a freelance dev to make one bespoke.
110%
When Covid hit, I decided I finally had enough time to invest in a gaming PC. My son and I put one together and, thinking I would miss out on many games, we set it up to dual boot. 3 months later we both realized we wanted nothing that “only ran on Windows” so we recovered the wasted space and it became a Linux only machine (like the rest in my house)
I can also confirm my experience has been the same re any other application or piece of software. My current daily driver is basically against all recommendations for a daily driver: running Garuda Dragonized with a side of Hyprland, even the Garuda folks do not recommend this mix but I fell in love with Hyprland and my son still prefers KDE. I had to learn a lot to configure everything in Hyprland from scratch (first tried it with someone’s config but decided I wanted my own). Took a bit of learning but it was so much fun and in the last 5 months since I implemented this crazy soup, I have had no freezes, no hangs, no apps dying on me, nothing… everything is fast, solid and more importantly, I know and control every aspect of the experience…
Can u run fusion 360? We use this software at work for 3d printer and plasma table. Have not been able to find anything that could run both on linux yet.
I’ve seen some people say they got fusion 360 working on linux with bottles, but I didn’t have any luck with it. I use OpenSCAD and FreeCAD for making models to print, but if you need Fusion360 specifically for work (or specific Adobe products) then you are kind of stuck unless your company is ok with a change. You won’t be able to view or edit other people’s Fusion360 files without that specific application. You can always run Windows in a VM on linux and install only the applications you need it for there. If you have a good enough PC that is viable, but isn’t a great experience on a lower end system.
I have not used open scad or freecad! The thing about fusion that works so well for us at work is we can design prototypes and 3d print them out of plastic, and if the test fit goes well we can then move it over to our plasma machine and cut the parts from sheet stock then weld together to make our component. We also do some more component design (think central inflation systems though wheel hubs) but the more advanced stuff the boss handles. For us to adopt at work I think it would have to have compatibility with fusion 360 as that’s what my boss uses primarily and we have dozens maybe hundreds of design files to cut brackets for engine swaps gas tank mounts control arm brackets you name it. Suppose it’s probably a bit late for us to make any move to Linux, especially considering we just got a 4 axis cnc mill and I don’t think any Linux software will play with that
Use two tools if one doesn’t get the job done, is kind of my point here. Sure you can pay for the convenience of f360, or you can build your own toolkit. Its like 2-in-1 shampoo, if it does both things it probably isn’t the best at either of them.
So rather than use a ready made software that works perfect for designing parts you suggest I build my own software? That is simply not a feasible solution, ESPECIALLY in a business environment lol. Your 2 in one shampoo comparison is kind of irrelevant, this is more akin to suggesting that instead of purchasing a car I design one from scratch! That doesn’t help adoption of Linux in the least, it is in fact the burden that keeps more windows users from adopting.
Bud if its not feasible for you don’t do it then.
As I stated in my original comment, some people use readymade suites and pay for support, that is their perogative.
I find I do Better quality work when I build my own toolkit, and tie the tools together my way.
To borrow an example from my father in reference to working on cars:
Sure you can buy a mechanic’s toolbox that will have everything you need but those are cheap, mass produced tools desogned to fit the needs of the everyman. If you buy an empty toolbox instead you can fill it with the tools you use, then you can have higher quality tools for the things you actually do with them and not waste space on tools you don’t ever touch.
Stock market had dropped very much this week so maybe its happening.
Feels like getting to the top of the roller coaster… scary but exciting at the same time
Its bouncing back today but yeah, we will see next week…
Can the AI Shit be disabled?
“Maybe Later”
~Until next update.~
Well, maybe later I’ll try your shitty OS?
In a few years Microsoft will just release Windows 12, with most of these AI features removed. Maybe they’ll do some user friendly tweaks too, but just a few. And most of Windows refugees will come back, praising Microsoft for listening to the community. Meanwhile there’ll be even more spyware and even less user control over the OS, but the vast majority will never notice that. That’s all it takes.
I think you are enormously overestimating their abilities to:
A) reflect on poor management decisions that hurt users. They have increased their company valuation TEN-fold under Satya Nadella over the last 11 years, and his push to cannibalise the hosted-services partners and Gold partners with Azure/365 made them a lot of ground before then. They became the second company ever to reach a valuation of $3T back in 2024. If you think a (globally) handful of unhappy home OS users will cause then to change course - I don’t think so, certainly never been my experience with MS.
B) win back most of the users they have lost to Windows. Why would those users return? They have what they need with their new solutions, and moving to them was a time and education cost that they have now fully paid, they’re invested. They’d have to have something very compelling to bring them back beyond, "hey guys we stopped being shit! ######for now "
I thought Windows 10 was the last ever version of Windows?
It’s the last for me! And many others as well it seems.
They got the punctuation all mixed up. Instead of ‘Windows 10 will be the last ever version! No more major upgrades!’ it was meant to read ‘Windows 10 will be the last ever version? No! More major upgrades!’
Unfortunate mistake
It’ll be taken care of by the new Microsoft CEO: Miguel Sanchez.
Let’s be real, windows 12 will be fully ai integrated
People that have been windows users for years that have been recently taking steps to remove windows from their lives aren’t going back when they remove AI (also, doubt that is ever happening). They’re pissed off, and if they manage to get their stuff working in Linux there’s absolutely no reason to switch back.
I am (was) a Windows user of 30 years and Windows 11 was the final straw for me. I’ve been playing around with Linux for 15 years but have only used it for my servers, as I never felt the desktop environment quite met the requirements for my daily driver.
One year ago, I made the switch, decided to power through and leave Windows behind. I was prepared to let go of the things that would not work on Linux and learn to live without them. Now, a year later, I’ve managed to migrate all my stuff to Linux. Sure, there are things I miss, but those are mostly aesthetics and not functionality.
And you are absolutely right! I’m pissed at Microsoft and have no plans to ever switch back.
Given MS has been testing Windows on the Cloud in the enterprise space for a while now, I wouldn’t be shocked if future major Windows versions, ie. Win12, became cloud-based.
Just like we saw with xp/vista/7, then 7/8/10. MS has a track record of good OS, gamble/shitty OS, slightly improved OS.
I can’t wait for that whole AI bubble to blow up. Shame it’s most likely not gonna kill Microsoft…
Too big to fail 😔
