Senator Jeanne Shaheen just threw the minority leader under the bus.

Senator Jeanne Shaheen revealed that Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer knew the entire time about the plan for a few Democrats to capitulate to Republicans on the government shutdown.

Shaheen, one of the seven Democrats (and one independent) who dropped their demand for a guaranteed extension of Obamacare subsidies, spoke to Fox News’s Brian Kilmeade on Monday morning.

Aside from serving as further proof that the Democrats are failing to act as an opposition party in any meaningful way, Shaheen’s comments also reveal one of two possible scenarios. Either Schumer was scheming to end the shutdown behind the scenes, only pretending to be against it while pinning the blame on the eight people who aren’t up for reelection anytime soon, or he has no control over his party. Either way, it proves the need for Democrats to jettison the minority leader.

  • Credibly_Human@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    2
    arrow-down
    5
    ·
    2 days ago

    As opposed to what? Fantasies on voting ourselves into progress?

    These aren’t fantasies. They’re at least plausible.

    Fantasies on believing some candidate is going to save us?

    Beliefs that any one person can save you are part of the problem.

    We all voted for Bernie in 2016.

    Yeah, and you keep voting for progressive elements within the only party that is even possible to shift towards that element until you’ve taken them over. It takes a shit ton of time, is unfun, and wont get you anything near instant results, but its the cards you’re dealt. You deal with them or don’t.

    We’re all voting against Trump. America is pissed. Where is our outrage supposed to be aimed at and what can we do?

    Discouraging people from doing anything is the opposite of helpful though, and encouraging people is something you can do. That along with participating in more than just federal politics.

    • Aermis@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      1 day ago

      I still can’t get used to being quote replied. It’s weird. Feels like being dissected.

      Anyways. History doesn’t show substantial victory in voting. Voting keeps a citizen government moving policies around slowly. Unfortunately our current system is anything but by the people It’s chaos, uncertain, and most definitely untenable to people. This is a government of blue corporates who want a president with decorum to make deals with the world, and red oligarchs who thrive on the chaos, privatization, and a rauntier economy. Unfortunately the past 10 years the oligarchs have won. No 4 year Biden presidency is going to fix what the country has become. Not a 2 term social democratic administration can fix this without absolutely dismantling what the country has become. And unfortunately that is going to be violent.

      Aristotle wrote when the oligarchal system is created with the inequities we see now, the only two choices are tyranny or revolution.

      • Credibly_Human@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        1 day ago

        Even in your comment you point out it won’t be fixed in one term as if that’s the expectation, but that’s what I’m talking about here. It was never going to be 1, 2 or even 3 terms. Its a long, slow process.

        When people don’t see immediate rapid change and give up, instead waiting for it to get so bad, it gets even worse (fictional revolution thinking), this just makes the system as it is more entrenched. They’ll happily keep you at bay.

        • Aermis@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          20 hours ago

          I’m trying to tell you there’s no slow process change out of this administration. Neither party cares for the people at large and neither will give up power without revolutionary thinking. Even if a Biden like presidency and administration runs for the next 12 years the American people will not be better off. And unfortunately the alternative that is needed for the people isn’t one that has a foot in the door to even start the slow process rolling. Look at Mamdani. The backlash is heavy and he hasn’t even started.

          • Credibly_Human@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            19 hours ago

            I’m trying to tell you there’s no slow process change out of this administration.

            You better hope there is, because you certainly aren’t going to be participating in any fast “you first” ones.

            There is a slim chance that people who spend more time ensuring democrats don’t get votes, bitching about them while complaining there is a solution, stopped doing that and democrats won in 2026 with sufficient margins to withstand all the bullshit levied at it.

            This would of course involve things like prop 50 being in place (which passed), and thats all increasingly looking like hail mary too, all because yall wont accept anything except a perfect hail mary, which will never come.

            • Aermis@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              2
              ·
              3 hours ago

              My friend, you don’t know me or my participation. The corporate democratic party is not the ally you wish it to be. I’ll be voting blue while we are only presented this false dichotomy of a system, but only because it’ll decay our system slower.

    • 4grams@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      2 days ago

      Well said. One last point, the fucks in charge right now are just itching for violence and are scratching as hard as they can to open a wound.

      • M0oP0o@mander.xyz
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        2 days ago

        They don’t need you to do anything to get the violence they want. You are in a place where masked goons are rounding up and disappearing people while your “opposition” party gives in at every opportunity.

        And one last point, no where have the people above discouraged anyone from doing anything, just that what has been done has had little to no effect (true).