If you can’t see the difference where we have gay marriage, for a while had notably less discrimination, a massive improvement in workers rights, improvements to social security nets etc, I don’t know what to tell you.

More than that, this childish opinion misses that you haven’t tried this.

You’ve constantly swapped between democrats and republicans, and purity tested so hard that democrats have basically stopped seeing you as a real force for change within their party.

You have only tore down your chances while actual progressives keep trying, only to be disappointed that you’re there as a roadblock to your shared goals.

To top this all off, you clearly do not understand that you not only need 3 of 4 branches of government and definitely need a super majority senate (Which you haven’t had usably in 25 years) but you also need enough progressives within the party to sway their goals away from just the wishes of their corporate donors.

You want to pretend that we have tried this, but we haven’t tried jack shit, because of folks like you.

More than that, you haven’t tried any other method either, so your comment ends up boiling down to “lets try nothing because I don’t like, nor do I want to try the ‘boring, unfun, hard things that actually make a difference’”

Its completely relevant to anyone who isn’t a child.

You can’t magically have this whimsical revolution you dream of.

Its 100% a “you first” type of deal where you absolutely are not willing to be first, and don’t realize you have a whole lot of the population you’d need to convince first, and until you do, you need to face the hard realities of the system you live in, and mitigate the damage.

Should be illegal to buy tickets at the doors just so I can avoid other people sitting near to me.

I feel this very much, yet at the same time feel like people need to understand that it is politics.

People try so hard to compartmentalize politics as this thing not to bring up where it “doesn’t belong” but yet politics that you ignore will eventually push themselves into those places eventually.

Nazi ideology is a political ideology. A rotten, awful one, but one nonetheless.

Its why you can’t afford to sit out politics, ever.

Indeed. They literally just support the nazism.

How do you change that though? By beating down the people who have the least damage per person? Or by beating down the companies that push these products, and more importantly the ownership class that owns them and casually use private jets to chauffeur their poodles around?

Uh, source? Do I know you?

You don’t. That’s why its up to you to make your point when making statements like this.

I’ve seen no such actions so without any particular claims, this is just fantasy posting.

The leverage is numbers.

I literally address the fact that you don’t have said leverage and wont get it any time soon in the very thing that you quote.

No one is being convinced by your angsty, snarky, online leftist purity raging.

And the organization at this point is just basic survival instinct?

If you think basic survival instincts are in any way conducive to long term goals… I don’t even have a clever retort. That’s just an insane thing to think.

We’re on a burning planet and being told that yes we need change, but we also need to wageslave while doing it.

You aren’t told, thats the reality.

People stop doing their jobs, without tremendous planning ahead, and they die.

That’s reality.

You are nowhere near having the capacity for a general strike, and you’re losing capacity as the tech feudal lords clamp down on the means of communication, and as people on decentralized platforms are notoriously completely impossible to deal with and hyper idealistic.

Nice try glowie.

See, it’s childish bullshit like this which means we can’t make progress.

My point is clearly that nothing remotely like these fantastical ideas of an underground revolution are actually happening. We’ve seen these grumblings online for fucking decades.

You’d think you’d have literally anything, like non personally, to show for it. Instead its nothing but talk.

Some random not hyper online dude shooting a healthcare ceo in the back because his back hurt and he was hard done by them is the closest you’ve come to that, and it wasn’t you.

I just know what has already happened in the past and can try to extrapolate.

You are remembering selectively, and remembering out of context, because the US is not WW2 germany. They’re WW2 germany with nukes and a military multiples of times more formidable than the next multiple combined.

There is no coalition of countries currently equipped to take them on.

More than that, those countries are all having similar problems with right wing groups flaring up.

More than that still, in recent history, when there have been revolts, they haven’t switched to socialism, or even just more socialism than before in notable ways. They’ve mostly just switched to more capitalism, supported by the US.

And again, I don’t know what basis you have to speak of my character.

Because once again, the online fringe you represent simply has no track record to speak of. They simply have not done anything for decades, and if they had any teeth, there would be something, anything to show for it.

Jesus christ, is that the most radical, outside-of-the system take you could think of for global policy change?

No, it isn’t the previous thing you absolutely do not have the guts or organization for is. This is the accomplishable thing that would not accomplish the final goals and instead would be handing right wing fascists the long term victory on a silver platter.

What a fascinating way to try to spin being out of touch into being smarter

I’m not a defeatist, I’m not under the delusion that a system that’s operating exactly as designed can be changed.

Then you are merely ignorant to the many changes the system has undergone or live in such a bubble you cant recognize the changes that don’t slap you in the face.

Voters have zero leverage to make or force change.

Massive false equivalence/bothsiderism detected.

You’ve helped train them to know they can do anything they want with no consequences.

You don’t actually want to help, so you come up with excuses to do nothing while feeling better than those who do because your ideas all start with someone else moving first.

Have you ever considered taxes to pay for collective goods and services, making peoples lives easier, them smarter, building trust in the idea that government can work and giving the government more teeth?

People will eat shit salads before they give up their F150s. We can’t just let people pay to avoid responsibility.

The F150 people were sold on the ridiculous trucks by the automotive industry. Theyre also much smaller as a part of the problem.

The people who make decisions we all feel forced to live with are the ones whose businesses choose the path of least resistance

No we don’t, and no it isn’t. That’s how the suppression of radical change works.

You aren’t doing jack shit of this radical change you spout on about. You don’t actually want to help, so you come up with excuses to do nothing while feeling better than those who do because your ideas all start with someone else moving first.

I am not saying that anything short of utopia is not worth pursuing, just that I don’t see why we shouldn’t start from that and then work down to a realistic compromise

Because you don’t have the leverage or organization to start there. Instead you must start by slowly working to put out the fire and getting your fellow countryman to see the benefits of socialist policy.

rather than starting from the bad options that are given to us.

You exist in this system, not outside of it. You start here for that is reality, not fantasy. Id love to start from the position of being the rich using my wealth to sway policy. It’s not reality though.

There are other choices, if you can look further than your nose.

List one that doesn’t start with some fantastical revolution you aren’t organizing and aren’t willing to risk your life in as a first mover

If the answer is about forming a new party in a country that has winner takes all or first past the post, I fear you’ve not thought it through.

No we don’t.

What we really need is people to stop fantasizing about spherical revolutions in frictionless societies and do the boring, unfun, hard things that actually make a difference.

It requires people not doing nothing until magically the perfect thing comes along and realizing they’ll have to wade through and actively support shit, until they’ve successfully reformed or composted said shit into something that is finally able to grow the first leafs of anything resembling a society they want.

I’m just so tired of people rejecting the facts of the political systems they live under in order to pretend to chase some other system they won’t see within their life time.

We have to pick the least bad option and then try to make them better because that’s just the way shit works. Acknowledging that doesn’t mean you are complicit or any other such nonsense in the same way acknowledging climate change doesn’t mean you don’t want a climate that isn’t rapidly deteriorating.

“But if x, y, and z people just…” yeah well they won’t, and we know they won’t, so we have the constraints we have.

Not super directed at you, I’ve just been seeing entirely too many naive, in my opinion, fake socialists that seem to only value socialism as far as they can use it as a weapon to brandish against liberals and other socialists who simply see reality and acknowledge that doing anything requires getting your hands dirty.

But wont end as long as the biggest resistance they see is people making snarky self censored comments on mostly right wing billionaire owned social media.

World is too busy deciding whether to kill minorities or tax the rich an extra few percent to make any progress on this.

It’s a Canadian national super market chain/brand that owns a ton of supermarkets here.

It happens.

Its like can you join the threads somehow? Probably not, and it just kinda goes on.

I feel like a lot of people who say this don’t realize how difficult this actually is for many people who live in different circumstances to them.

If you, like many, live in some urban sprawl ass area, Amazon has become the “weird part/replacement/too unique for physical stores but costs 5 times the amount shipping it in from somewhere else” central.

It’s also often more convenient than some other options while being ethically just about on par.

Its like, I can buy this thing from the walmart family, the loblaws family or jeff bezos.

They all have their evil, and it rotates from time to time who is taking the cake.

Like it’s certainly a consideration, like I’ll sometimes pick a slower option just to not buy from amazon, but then its like… its from Bestbuy. How much better is Bestbuy to Amazon? or Newegg?

I mean, tbh the whole inauguration has certainly knocked Amazon down a few pegs for sure, so I guess this is sort of a pre that bias.

My point is, there is a shit ton of things any one person can be doing, and different things are more or less important to different people, so do what you can, and don’t expect perfection of yourself, because there will be things you do (if you’re a person that tries) that the person barking at you for not being perfect in some other aspect will be doing and won’t even be aware of what else you do.

Oh absolutely, but even TVs are used in different contexts.

Like the thing about text applies to console games, applies to menus, applies to certain types of high detail media etc.

Look at you with some more “I exist outside of politics” child like thinking.

By not participating, you fuel the worst, and don’t make the least bad any better.

You have no arguments for this, you only have your fall back rhetoric, with no plans, no work, no substance.

What you’re saying is that you’re a defeatist, because I’ve seen not one of you scoping up our boy big brood bonker. Just tough words towards the people closest to you on the spectrum online, and so it continues to look like reform will be the only option.

As long as you continue not to put up, maybe its time to shut up while the people looking for practical solutions actually discuss and act on them.

Keep dreaming about this magic future the people you’d like to pretend are all neoliberals are doing their best to make it for you.