• loudwhisper@infosec.pub
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    US controlled Italy as well. In Italy there was essentially a civil war, which is how fascism got defeated, with the resistance cooperating with the Allies, and a government and constitution being established as a result.

    The problem with Italy is not about punishment, is cultural. Italy never collectively reflected and moved on from the fascist past. Maybe there is some good discussion about the relationship between this and being a catholic country.

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      I was reading, lightly reading, some book I found on the archive from 1971 that was attempting to discuss Italy just post the black plague. It read they loved fudalism/fascism in those years.

      These problems are ancient, just with new ways of implementation. Not claiming to know a lot about it

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      I know what happened with the civil war and that.

      I still believe fascism has not been moved past precisely because rhey suffered no consequences for being fascist.

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        Half the country supported fascism, either directly or through inaction, what do you do…? Demilitarization would be of no help here, so what are the options? It is a cultural process that needs to cause a collective reflection to move on. What “punishment” would have worked in your opinion?

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          Something like germany and austria. Lose any territories with significant amount of other nationalities like the east of germany going to Poland.

          They could have lost south Tyrol and they should have lost Trieste.

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            This would have not have changed anything in terms of not being reconciled with and have elaborated the fascist past. You would have had exactly the same situation today, just with different borders.