This isn’t reddit, we don’t have advertisers we have to appeal to. Do we really need this kind of nannying? Can’t adults have adult discussions, even if they’re arguments that get heated?
I didn’t see the removed content, admittedly, but unless it’s overtly hate speech I can’t understand the need to moderate Lemmy as if it was corporate social media. Like isn’t the whole point that it isn’t?
I’m not sure the situation is improved by a faux authority figure coming in and shouting “we don’t allow slap fighting here!” They’re assumedly adults, so like… let them slap fight and just deal with the eye rolls from onlookers?
I guess I just don’t understand what benefit this kind of moderation is offering and I believe it’s a holdover from the corporate sanitized social media we’re used to that we can and should eschew.
I can’t speak for others, but I’d rather scroll past and ignore bickering adults than a flood of “removed by moderator.”
Not necessarily objecting or complaining, just expressing a viewpoint. Cheers.
edit: For clarity, I have not checked the modlogs so i don’t know the discourse that happened here. Obviously if somebody is only posting in continual bad faith then that’s a detriment to the community and they and their posts should be removed. Things have nuance and context matters, so I’m not trying to make any blanket statements here and acknowledge my potential specific ignorance in this scenario.
Okay, so I would be equally justified in saying:
Liberals, this is what you get when you assume people must vote for you.
THANK YOU. This far down the road and they’re still ignoring this aspect.
Yes protest voters choosing to make things worse for Palestine and everyone in the US is stupid.
AND liberals and especially the party leadership made a huge miscalculation in assuming everyone would vote for “not Trump.”
Both contributed to the loss. Which is more to blame? There’s a discussion to be had there but imo the overall electoral strategy is a much bigger issue than a handful of stupid people who didn’t vote or voted Trump over this one particular issue
The party leadership isn’t here. Some of the protest voters are. Any statement posted on Lemmy is directed at the voters, not the leadership, and assuming otherwise is arguing in bad faith.
The voters had the opportunity to stop Trump. They didn’t. Many people on Lemmy actively encouraged people to let Trump win. He won. Those are the facts.
What I saw a lot of on Lemmy was democrat supporters and voters insisting that people will just hold their nose and vote for Harris and accusing anybody angry about the ongoing genocide of either supporting Trump or playing into the hands of Russia.
Any statement posted on Lemmy is directed at the voters, not the leadership, and assuming otherwise is arguing in bad faith.
Did I do that? Very confused.
The voters had the opportunity to stop Trump. They didn’t.
Ah yes, it’s all the voters’ fault.
If only the DNC had any power at all in this situation or ability to influence the actions of voters…
Those supporting The Establishment Democrats are responsible for all of this. So naturally they accuse everybody else and blame the voters for their own mistakes. They knew running is the status quo with dog shit unpopular candidates was not enough to win and they did it anyway. Forced it on us.
Nice strawman. Also, I am informing protest non-voters what they voted for.
This is the part where this conversation goes off the rails. Removing everything under this. It’s not productive.
This isn’t reddit, we don’t have advertisers we have to appeal to. Do we really need this kind of nannying? Can’t adults have adult discussions, even if they’re arguments that get heated?
I didn’t see the removed content, admittedly, but unless it’s overtly hate speech I can’t understand the need to moderate Lemmy as if it was corporate social media. Like isn’t the whole point that it isn’t?
When it reaches this point, it’s removable, here it did:
I’m not sure the situation is improved by a faux authority figure coming in and shouting “we don’t allow slap fighting here!” They’re assumedly adults, so like… let them slap fight and just deal with the eye rolls from onlookers?
I guess I just don’t understand what benefit this kind of moderation is offering and I believe it’s a holdover from the corporate sanitized social media we’re used to that we can and should eschew.
I can’t speak for others, but I’d rather scroll past and ignore bickering adults than a flood of “removed by moderator.”
Not necessarily objecting or complaining, just expressing a viewpoint. Cheers.
edit: For clarity, I have not checked the modlogs so i don’t know the discourse that happened here. Obviously if somebody is only posting in continual bad faith then that’s a detriment to the community and they and their posts should be removed. Things have nuance and context matters, so I’m not trying to make any blanket statements here and acknowledge my potential specific ignorance in this scenario.
We aren’t going to allow threads full of “I’m not touching you! I’m not touching you! I’m not touching you!”
It reaches a point where it boils over to full on trolling, which is more serious and results in longer and longer bans.
Y’all act like children? We treat you like children and send you to your rooms.
Once they cool off, they’re welcome back, but if they keep at it the 24 hour ban turns into 3 days, 7 days, or more.
Quit sowing division troll.
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THANK YOU. This far down the road and they’re still ignoring this aspect.
Yes protest voters choosing to make things worse for Palestine and everyone in the US is stupid.
AND liberals and especially the party leadership made a huge miscalculation in assuming everyone would vote for “not Trump.”
Both contributed to the loss. Which is more to blame? There’s a discussion to be had there but imo the overall electoral strategy is a much bigger issue than a handful of stupid people who didn’t vote or voted Trump over this one particular issue
The party leadership isn’t here. Some of the protest voters are. Any statement posted on Lemmy is directed at the voters, not the leadership, and assuming otherwise is arguing in bad faith.
The voters had the opportunity to stop Trump. They didn’t. Many people on Lemmy actively encouraged people to let Trump win. He won. Those are the facts.
What I saw a lot of on Lemmy was democrat supporters and voters insisting that people will just hold their nose and vote for Harris and accusing anybody angry about the ongoing genocide of either supporting Trump or playing into the hands of Russia.
Did I do that? Very confused.
Ah yes, it’s all the voters’ fault.
If only the DNC had any power at all in this situation or ability to influence the actions of voters…
Right? They keep acting like the DNC couldn’t have done anything better.
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Right?
It’s the party that lost the election, by their choices… Blaming voters is pathetic.
These two trolls are wasting everyone’s time, lemmy.world seems to be infested with them.
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No, Liberals aren’t responsible for this, they could have sucked, but in the end you stood by and let the genocidal fascists take over.
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Those supporting The Establishment Democrats are responsible for all of this. So naturally they accuse everybody else and blame the voters for their own mistakes. They knew running is the status quo with dog shit unpopular candidates was not enough to win and they did it anyway. Forced it on us.
There’s way more than enough blame to go around.
No, the blame lies with the aristocrats arrogantly controlling the dem party.
The important part is that we don’t blame the republicans for being complete shits, right?
We knew what the Republicans were. They weren’t hiding it to those in reality. Yet we refused to stop them.
Yep, about a third of everyone is overtly reprehensible.
The remaining two thirds are merely covertly reprehensible.
And there’s nothing we can do about it.