“Two stunning political moments in the past 24 hours: Gov. Cox's eloquent appearance just now...and Bernie Sanders's extraordinary statement yesterday.”
Hey, you’re right. We do need to urgently work to improve the systems of media and education so that people have some idea of what the fuck is even happening, so that they won’t elect open fascists to power and think that they’re doing a good thing. We have some urgent problems now that can’t really wait for that, of course, since that whole vital apparatus has been deliberately destroyed by the rich people over the course of about the last 50 years. But yes, the elections aren’t the only piece. If we could have a Mamdani level event in even one out of every ten elections that happens, that would be fuckin’ fantastic, instead of just letting one open socialist get within a hair’s breadth of the literal US presidency in 2016 and then giving up because the rich people cheated him out of power. It almost fuckin’ worked. Also, gerrymandering, mail in voting, open fraud enabled by Trump and his allies, et cetera. There are a ton of problems that we will never in a million years vote our way out of.
I’m glad you said that. It would have been absolutely nuts if you were agreeing with my parent comment which more or less to me could be interpreted as “Let’s bring political assassination by random nuts into the mainstream of the US political spectrum as a way of making change, that’ll help and the left will definitely win that game in the end.”
But none of that “working on” stuff is or will ever happen. It’s 2025, we should not be backsliding into fascism. Clearly the methods the people are using are failing.
I will be donating to Tyler’s fund just like I did for Luigi—and anyone else who has the stones to stand up against fascists and their cronies.
You should donate (and volunteer) for the people organizing against ICE, or legal defense for people in their crosshairs. That can develop into an actual resistance as things get worse and steadily worse (which they probably will). Donating to encourage random assassination will instead make things exponentially worse, it will basically hand it over to the Charlie Kirks of the world.
I disagree. While I certainly empathize with the people who are being targeted by ice, the immigration topic is not going to be something that sways politics away from fascism. Too many people on the left don’t want illegal immigration. I don’t want illegal immigration. But, I really am disgusted with how it’s being handled now (and in the past too).
The people need to go on the offensive instead of just constantly defending ourselves (in court or otherwise). Now, I don’t mean we should all go shoot people—but those politicians and “influencers” promoting hate and fascism need to feel deep down that they are truly unsafe.
Action can have many forms. But action is not asking them to stop while standing on a street corner holding a sign. We need to make them stop—with escalating intensity that stops when they stop.
Too many people on the left don’t want illegal immigration. I don’t want illegal immigration. But, I really am disgusted with how it’s being handled now (and in the past too).
Jesse what the fuck are you talking about
I personally don’t care about “illegal immigration.” I’ve had good friends who came here “illegally,” and ones who’ve experienced some extremely severe consequences because of it. Fuck that. But even regardless of all that, what ICE is currently doing has absolutely 0 to do with enforcing immigration law. They’re actually breaking immigration law left and right and violating a bunch of different court orders. If you care about “legal vs illegal,” which again in this case I couldn’t possibly give less of a fuck about, you should be extremely upset against ICE right now, and agitating to stop them.
Now, I don’t mean we should all go shoot people
Good, glad we agree on that part.
but those politicians and “influencers” promoting hate and fascism need to feel deep down that they are truly unsafe.
I don’t necessarily disagree. But, there is a way to do that that can escalate into a real revolution of the people that will still maintain a working country. There is also a way to do it that can escalate into AOC and Bernie being the first up on the assassination list, along with Hasanabi, Paul Pelosi, the local mayor if he tries to put in bike lanes, fuckin’ whatever.
This particular way of “fighting” for improvement is guaranteed to make things worse.
We need to make them stop—with escalating intensity that stops when they stop.
This part, I completely agree with. Is your impression that shooting Charlie Kirk will make them stop? I think it will make them accelerate. There is no number of Charlie Kirks that you can shoot that will ever make them stop.
They have a lot more money for security than Elizabeth Warren does. There is one side and one side only that will be disproportionately impacted by this.
Do you think elections are what the people decide? I love Bernie, but he is out of touch now.
Bernie is defusing a highly explosive situation and doing that very well. Good work, I say.
A centrist would agree with him. Bernie has accomplished nothing to stop fascism. More cheap talk, no successes.
Maybe he’s accomplished nothing to stop fascism with this specific quote, but to suggest that he hasn’t for his entire career is a little silly.
Hey, you’re right. We do need to urgently work to improve the systems of media and education so that people have some idea of what the fuck is even happening, so that they won’t elect open fascists to power and think that they’re doing a good thing. We have some urgent problems now that can’t really wait for that, of course, since that whole vital apparatus has been deliberately destroyed by the rich people over the course of about the last 50 years. But yes, the elections aren’t the only piece. If we could have a Mamdani level event in even one out of every ten elections that happens, that would be fuckin’ fantastic, instead of just letting one open socialist get within a hair’s breadth of the literal US presidency in 2016 and then giving up because the rich people cheated him out of power. It almost fuckin’ worked. Also, gerrymandering, mail in voting, open fraud enabled by Trump and his allies, et cetera. There are a ton of problems that we will never in a million years vote our way out of.
I’m glad you said that. It would have been absolutely nuts if you were agreeing with my parent comment which more or less to me could be interpreted as “Let’s bring political assassination by random nuts into the mainstream of the US political spectrum as a way of making change, that’ll help and the left will definitely win that game in the end.”
But none of that “working on” stuff is or will ever happen. It’s 2025, we should not be backsliding into fascism. Clearly the methods the people are using are failing.
I will be donating to Tyler’s fund just like I did for Luigi—and anyone else who has the stones to stand up against fascists and their cronies.
You should donate (and volunteer) for the people organizing against ICE, or legal defense for people in their crosshairs. That can develop into an actual resistance as things get worse and steadily worse (which they probably will). Donating to encourage random assassination will instead make things exponentially worse, it will basically hand it over to the Charlie Kirks of the world.
I disagree. While I certainly empathize with the people who are being targeted by ice, the immigration topic is not going to be something that sways politics away from fascism. Too many people on the left don’t want illegal immigration. I don’t want illegal immigration. But, I really am disgusted with how it’s being handled now (and in the past too).
The people need to go on the offensive instead of just constantly defending ourselves (in court or otherwise). Now, I don’t mean we should all go shoot people—but those politicians and “influencers” promoting hate and fascism need to feel deep down that they are truly unsafe.
Action can have many forms. But action is not asking them to stop while standing on a street corner holding a sign. We need to make them stop—with escalating intensity that stops when they stop.
1 (please stop) — 10 (death)
“Pick a number that works for you!”
(*Not you, them)
Jesse what the fuck are you talking about
I personally don’t care about “illegal immigration.” I’ve had good friends who came here “illegally,” and ones who’ve experienced some extremely severe consequences because of it. Fuck that. But even regardless of all that, what ICE is currently doing has absolutely 0 to do with enforcing immigration law. They’re actually breaking immigration law left and right and violating a bunch of different court orders. If you care about “legal vs illegal,” which again in this case I couldn’t possibly give less of a fuck about, you should be extremely upset against ICE right now, and agitating to stop them.
Good, glad we agree on that part.
I don’t necessarily disagree. But, there is a way to do that that can escalate into a real revolution of the people that will still maintain a working country. There is also a way to do it that can escalate into AOC and Bernie being the first up on the assassination list, along with Hasanabi, Paul Pelosi, the local mayor if he tries to put in bike lanes, fuckin’ whatever.
This particular way of “fighting” for improvement is guaranteed to make things worse.
This part, I completely agree with. Is your impression that shooting Charlie Kirk will make them stop? I think it will make them accelerate. There is no number of Charlie Kirks that you can shoot that will ever make them stop.
They have a lot more money for security than Elizabeth Warren does. There is one side and one side only that will be disproportionately impacted by this.
So what you’re saying is nothing will make them stop.
Well………… #10 it is. Sorry. 🤷♂️don’t care.