Wars and proxy wars since 1776.

EDIT: The post is not an endorsement of the USSR. You can now stop fighting for your “team” and start defending the anti-war values you claim to uphold.

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    Da, unlike peaceful soviet socialists who only use peaceful tanks to bring unity, whether or not other nations know they need to be unified. Or Anarchists who merely seek to gently dismantle society and bring harmony to the world by cleansing all threats to that harmony.

    The first half is fine, but the left side is some unhinged 1984 doublethink. “Our imperialism is the good kind. The other side is the bad imperialists.”

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      I dunno, they are literally holding a gun to the back of the “Proud Liberal’s” head.

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      Using violent tactics is not synonymous with war mongering. Maybe a definition helps to differentiate the difference “A warmonger is someone strongly pro-war. Warmongers favor war above all other options.”

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      What anarchists talk about cleansing? Are you referring to the dictatorship of the proletariat in Leninism?

      You can’t just make things up about an ideology and then argue like the thing you made up is true and well known. That makes you exactly like the meme you’re making fun of.

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        A lot of anarchists do seem to want a big purge. I’m not saying that’s inherently part of the ideology as a whole—I’m fairly sympathetic to anarchist ideals. But I’m not as sympathetic to terminally online weirdos who just want an outlet for their impotent rage. And a lot of such people do call themselves anarchists.

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          I feel that difference exists for every ideology, though. Like a terminally online socialist or communist are also full of impotent, misguided rage.

          Speaking from experience, when a terminally online inset -ist ideology here shows up for their first in person meeting, they usually require some amount of reframing.

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          to indicate those under that flag have been saying “always have been” - it’s the meme.

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            It’s rich to use it when it is that Russia is actively conquering and annexing territories of sovereign states.

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          The Red Terror during the Spanish Civil War comes to mind.

          No ideology is without its fanatics.

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            Thanks, I’ll read up on it.

            But from what I’ve read so far, the violence wasn’t exclusively from anarchist groups and more of mass violence from all leftist groups during that time towards clerics and rightists?

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              The violence wasn’t exclusively from anarchist groups, but in anarchist-dominated areas, the anarchists committed the same kinds of violence that other leftists did.

              This isn’t to say that the anarchists were not the best of the lot, by far. Only that the notion that anarchists don’t engage in unjustified mass violence against political enemies because of the sheer purity of their convictions doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.

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                I gotcha. I believe it. Have any book recs on the topic? Think this’ll probably be the my next lil history read after I’m done 100 Years War on Palestine

                edit: topic being spanish civil war period

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                  Most of this is recollected from college. I can definitely recommend Orwell’s Homage to Catalonia for a ground-eye view of the Spanish Civil War in general, though.

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                    Cool cool, yeah i was reading on the wikipedia that he fought in the war. Will probably pick that up next. Thanks!