cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/35684522
Despite his support for Trump, Ragland has become increasingly vocal about the need for immediate trade resolution. “We desperately need to get something rectified quickly with China, our biggest export customer,” he told CNN. “We wanna encourage the administration to get a proactive trade deal done.”
I also have been feeling schaedenfreud but its not all their fault. They may have voted for trump but that was mainly because they were misled by propaganda networks. It shows how bad reporting is particularly among the rustbelt propaganda networks.Because none of these people were aware about project twenty twenty five which pretty much promised to crush trade.
If they had been presented with accurate reporting there’s no way they would have voted against the pro trade neo liberals.
Our legal and political system enabled a group of plutocrats to falsify reporting and amplify russian disinformation campaigns.
It’s absolutely their fault are you fucking kidding me?
Many of them are horrible trolls. But then there are those who do not watch the news and get their facts from their local communities, like churches or co-workers. The great majority of people in the US do not have a good news source and have never had a class on media bias. Their whole way of thinking revolves around obeying authority. That environment does not encourage independent thought. And in the presence of 24/7 propaganda networks (Facebook, AM radio, Cable News), there’s no way for them to get substantiative information on topics relevant to their daily lives. It’s not just right wingers, but also people who would normally be on the left politically, but who are instead overwhelmed with data on how vaccines cause autism, etc… I meet people all the time who are concerned about my media consumption patterns because I do not know about how dangerous GMO is, or how my use of computers is rotting my brain.
The problem with modern information economies is not everyone has access to good information, even people who read the news all day long are exposed to Russian disinfo.
That excuse is unacceptable.
Unless you think they are dumber than normal they have all the possibility to verify sources and take the effort to look stuff up if it’s of importance.
They’re not 1930’s illiterate Germans who had to believe what they’ve been told.
Decades of defunding and stripping down public education is now bearing fruit. We can thank right-wing political interests from both parties for the death of the US educational system. But this is what led to an overreliance on video as a news dissemination platform as people do not read much compared to other economies.
Weimar Germany, by the way, was the best educated country in the world in the thirties. This is what made Nazi propaganda more effective: they were able to use propaganda campaigns to target vulnerable populations. We now know from Cambridge Analytica that this group exists in all cultures. The so-called “Average” group.
Being ignorant doesn’t excuse their actions, but it explains their motives in a way that makes them more human. We’re all fallible, some of us more so than others. Look at it this way: it’s not a crime to be completely cut off from good news sources. There’s nothing evil in getting all your news from your church buddies or the people at work. Most news is negative anyway so people naturally avoid it.
The people who control those groups are horrible human beings. Narcissistic, sadistic, nihilists. Unfortunately, liberal democracy does nothing to stop them from spreading their message to vulnerable groups.
Except that Trump has said enough stupid shit in obvious places that it can’t be hidden unless you’ve got a chokehold that is simply impossible to maintain on that many people. Ten million maybe, but no at this point they’re willing. They want this and whether they’re profoundly stupid or incredibly evil doesn’t much matter like it used to considering the damage they’re doing.
Conservatives just suck. The world at their fingertips and daily, unavoidable examples of why they’re super wrong and they still go hard for the worst possible options because they aren’t intelligent enough to understand even the most basic complexities or have even shreds of empathy for people they can’t directly see(and many will even hate those right in front of them). Nah dude, fuck that.
All that is true, but the shit he’s saying goes through a filter. Not just the filter of Fox News but also the filter of those who disseminate that bullshit.
A very sad and unfortunate fact about most Americans is that they do not read the news and most of their political knowledge comes from their friends and family or communities. The propaganda dissemination models that are currently driving the US toward fascism are reliant on there being a core group of malignants who disseminate the disinformation that they get from Fox, AM radio and elsewhere.
The group whom you’re referring to as “conservatives” are demographically the most exposed to right-wing propaganda. The so-called “average” cluster, as revealed by the Cambridge Analytica scandal. This group (originally targeted by Facebook) is particularly sensitive to the message pushed by conservatives (“law and order”, “traditional”). But if you look at the messaging that’s being used to manipulate them, it’s the same stuff that was used to target Germans in the Weimar republic.
Honestly, the conservatives I have both the least and greatest problems with are the ones who don’t really pay attention any news in particular. They heard once that conservatives are good with money and that progressives have funny ideas and they’ve latched onto that idea with ever challenging it once. They’re simply incapable of looking at something deeper than surface level and they refuse to address the complexity of any given situation. Those people will, at times, end up as centrists who “really don’t like to get into politics” and “think they have cool ideas but they could never get them done”.
This doesn’t much go against my original point, though. They exist in a place where they hate learning and changing their ideas is not something they can really handle. If all they have to do is fit one mold then that’s easy, but once they have to start custom-building their own personality it all falls apart. It’s too much work for them, and they retreat to comfortable familiarity.
About half of the customers for my seasonal business are farmers. I told them directly. They didn’t believe me or didn’t care.
Now they have crops rotting in the fields.
Many farmers don’t read the news and they are prone to getting their info from their friends and communities. For whatever reason, around 30% of the people in those communities are unempathetic deceivers who delight in spreading lies and conspiracy theories. And propaganda networks empower those people.
I told them. They knew. They thought they were special.
Guess they should have listened to their vendor instead of their competition.
I warned conservatives too but are they going to trust someone they know a little or someone they know a lot? The same thing happened with Bush. People form their beliefs based on their communities and families.
My view is that if conservative media could be held liable in civil court for passing off information they knew to be false then every single propaganda network could have been sued off the air and internet by their own audiences.
I agree. It’s fraud & should be actionable.
What are they saying to you now about it?
Let me guess, they’re strangely silent.
I’ve not started taking orders for this season. Have to start this month. Kinda dreading it THB.
People have been screaming for decades how shitty GOP and Conservative/Libertarian policies are, with proper backed examples and data.
These people still didn’t listen.
They chose this.
They were told this would happen, plainly enough for a child to understand, and they chose it anyway.
I’ve actually heard someone make the argument that it’s liberals’ fault because they came across as patronizing when telling people, which made them not want to listen. I wish I was kidding.
Just zero personal responsibility.
Youre right that they should have known better but you cant blame fools for being fools. You can blame the conmen who scam them.
I monitor conservative and nationalist media and they promote lies all day long. The people screaming about whats going on? Completely misrepresented or marginalized in their coverage. Its impossible to have democracy with propaganda networks ranking number 1 in the public consciousness