When something was done multiple generations ago like the creation of Israel, I think it’s a done deal. Just like the take over of the americas by Europeans, or various wars of conquest in the past. It sucks and is horrible. But one has to move forward. I’m not condoning Israel’s current actions, but I think they now have a right to continued existence and to defend themselves (but with reasonable safeguards for civilians, unlike what they’re doing now). So to recap: what Israel is doing now is unacceptable. They’ve also done unacceptable stuff in the past. They’ve also had to defend themselves from unacceptable stuff done to them in the past. They are a stubborn bunch that are insanely over doing their revenge now - just like their many enemies would do to them if they could. It sucks.
No I’m literally and specifically not condoning Israeli actions. I’m not clear on what the current vernacular meaning of ‘genocide’ is right now here, but apparently what Israel is doing has to be called genocide by definition or else my comment gets deleted. So it’s certainly genocide. But I don’t think they are trying to kill or remove all Palestinians from Gaza despite what some politicians say. When I say Israel has a right to defence, I mean they have to be able to try and stop rocket attacks or border incursions by Hamas or anyone else. Ideally they’d find some peaceful solution, but Hamas (and other groups) have made it clear that they will never allow peace as long as Israel exists. So what’s Israel to do? Clearly killing civilians isn’t the right answer. But peace processes in the past have also failed and freedoms in Gaza led to the Oct attacks. So what is the path forward?
So you don’t know what they should do either. Fair. And that’s the point, they have no good options. I think we can agree that what they’re doing now isn’t a good path. But unless there is a tangible solution for long term peace available, I don’t see how they will be convinced to change their strategy.
Truth, reconciliation, and reparations to those they’ve oppressed for generations would be a start. This just reads like, “It’s complicated” with more words, which is the most common cop out people say about Israel. They’re the same people who will pretend they were always against it once Israel finalizes their extermination campaign.
Isn’t that exactly what Americans did do to their native population? How long has to pass after before it’s ok?
It’s also what Hitler did. Guess what moron, genocide isnt okay no matter who does it. What was done to the natives was completely vile.
You have been brain washed into thinking what is being done is actually defendable. You are basically this generations Hitlers youth.
When something was done multiple generations ago like the creation of Israel, I think it’s a done deal. Just like the take over of the americas by Europeans, or various wars of conquest in the past. It sucks and is horrible. But one has to move forward. I’m not condoning Israel’s current actions, but I think they now have a right to continued existence and to defend themselves (but with reasonable safeguards for civilians, unlike what they’re doing now). So to recap: what Israel is doing now is unacceptable. They’ve also done unacceptable stuff in the past. They’ve also had to defend themselves from unacceptable stuff done to them in the past. They are a stubborn bunch that are insanely over doing their revenge now - just like their many enemies would do to them if they could. It sucks.
Genocide isnt self defense. We know all the Israeli talking point and soft linguistic manipulations that come with it by now.
You are condoning their actions when you come to their defense. Stop defending genocide. Half your comments are you trying to make light of it.
No I’m literally and specifically not condoning Israeli actions. I’m not clear on what the current vernacular meaning of ‘genocide’ is right now here, but apparently what Israel is doing has to be called genocide by definition or else my comment gets deleted. So it’s certainly genocide. But I don’t think they are trying to kill or remove all Palestinians from Gaza despite what some politicians say. When I say Israel has a right to defence, I mean they have to be able to try and stop rocket attacks or border incursions by Hamas or anyone else. Ideally they’d find some peaceful solution, but Hamas (and other groups) have made it clear that they will never allow peace as long as Israel exists. So what’s Israel to do? Clearly killing civilians isn’t the right answer. But peace processes in the past have also failed and freedoms in Gaza led to the Oct attacks. So what is the path forward?
This is either an incredibly naive response or some sort of weird troll comment.
So you don’t know what they should do either. Fair. And that’s the point, they have no good options. I think we can agree that what they’re doing now isn’t a good path. But unless there is a tangible solution for long term peace available, I don’t see how they will be convinced to change their strategy.
Truth, reconciliation, and reparations to those they’ve oppressed for generations would be a start. This just reads like, “It’s complicated” with more words, which is the most common cop out people say about Israel. They’re the same people who will pretend they were always against it once Israel finalizes their extermination campaign.