• SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    90
    ·
    19 days ago

    Even after Trump will be gone, the idiots making this possible still thrive and breed and vote. I’m not sure how to trust the US again in the near future.

    • ZDL@lazysoci.al
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      53
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      19 days ago

      Or distant future, for that matter. The US has shown its true nature in voting for Trump not once, but TWICE. The US went from “friend” (as if anybody has ever been a “friend” to the USA) to backstabbing enemy in the course of a single election cycle. This is a warning for all future interaction.

      • Spice Hoarder@lemmy.zip
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        19
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        19 days ago

        There’s actually strong evidence that the election was rigged in swing states where democrats performed consistently better down ballot, but mysteriously didn’t select anything for the presidential candidate.

        • ZDL@lazysoci.al
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          10
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          18 days ago

          If that’s what comforts you, you be you.

          But the truth is that enough Americans voted for Trump, not once, but twice, that he got the presidency.

          Acting like the Repugnicans after their 2020 loss doesn’t endear Americans to me. It makes me wary of the entire culture if everybody is a paranoid lunatic making conspiracy theories instead of just admiting that ALMOST A THIRD OF ELIGIBLE VOTERS THOUGHT THAT VOTING WAS TOO MUCH WORK and thus let Trump have a shot.

          Your country can’t be trusted. For whatever fucking reason you want to make up. It doesn’t matter what the reason is. Nobody outside of the USA should ever trust your country again until you grow the fuck up as a culture.

          • Spice Hoarder@lemmy.zip
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            3
            ·
            18 days ago

            I’m sure you wouldn’t call someone a lunatic if they had voiced concerns about unfair elections in other fascist countries like NK or Russia. How completely heartless do you have to be to completely disregard the personal experiences of someone just because you don’t have enough time or effort to look into the validity of my claims?

            The simple fact of the matter is that we were set up from the very beginning, they organized this nation wide through something called project 2025. And Elon Musk straight up admitted to throwing away democratic votes with his special voting machines. There is no conspiracy, it’s all in plain sight, but people like you can’t possibly imagine that there could be widespread corruption in the USA oh no.

            • ZDL@lazysoci.al
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              18 days ago

              And Elon Musk straight up admitted to throwing away democratic votes with his special voting machines.

              [citation needed]

      • kent_eh@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        15
        ·
        19 days ago

        The US has shown its true nature in voting for Trump not once, but TWICE.

        A helluva lot of Americans voted for Trump 3 damn times.

        There are a lot of slow learners down thwre.

    • mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      14
      ·
      19 days ago

      how to trust the US again

      my answer is simply to not bother trying

      maybe after a decade of exceptionally good behaviour, I’ll reconsider

      • ddh@lemmy.sdf.org
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        17
        ·
        19 days ago

        in the near future

        It took years, decades even, for the trust lost during WW2 to be restored.

        • Miaou@jlai.lu
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          9
          ·
          19 days ago

          Trust In whom? The level of trust of The average European towards Germany is probably the same as it was during the war. Which is, coincidentally, the same as before the war.

          • ddh@lemmy.sdf.org
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            9
            ·
            18 days ago

            Europeans trust Germany as much in 2025 as they did in 1940? That’s just patently false. Do you know any Europeans or Germans at all?

      • kent_eh@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        12
        ·
        19 days ago

        Sort of. Eventually.

        But only after they proved that they were willing and able to be better.

      • ZDL@lazysoci.al
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        14
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        edit-2
        19 days ago

        In order: Yes. No. Yes, but qualified given behaviour over the past 20 years.

        Germany accepted its role in the Holocaust and in the war. It took positive strides to make amends. The same applies to Italy, though its beginning to flirt with fascism again in the late 1990s/early 2000s made me start being ultra-wary of it. Japan has never really accepted its malignant role in WWII and, at points, has denied documented history. So I, at least, have not forgiven it.

        (I also do not trust Turkey for its continued refusal to accept its role in the Armenian Genocide.)

        • mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          7
          ·
          19 days ago

          and let’s be real here, what are the chances america actually makes efforts to fix what it’s done - basically zero

          I expect the best we’ll get is an acknowledgement that “the previous administration was difficult” and then it’ll be back to business as usual, no amends made

          • ZDL@lazysoci.al
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            3
            ·
            18 days ago

            They had a pacifist foreign policy forced on them. Doesn’t really count on the morality side.

          • baines@lemmy.cafe
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            4
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            edit-2
            19 days ago

            enforced by the US

            positive outlook on imperial beliefs is seeing a resurgence

            and Japan as a whole is still racist and xenophobic at home

            don’t forget their school history books whitewashing their atrocities

      • Hanrahan@slrpnk.net
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        edit-2
        18 days ago

        My Australian grandfather (fought in New Guinea in the RAF) didn’t forgive the Japenese. He was appaled when my father bought a Toyota and disowned him. This was decades ago. So this will take deacdes and lots of forgibmess from.the US,.somethibg theybare not know for…so.id exoect it to get.even.more.toxic. On the other ha d it is hopefully bringing much of the eorld together. As an Australian I’d love for us to join the EU.

        What about the countires the US invaded ?.should they forgive the great satan ?