• ubergeek@lemmy.today
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    4 days ago

    Communism tends to work pretty well until the US shows up with their military, and stamp it out.

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      4 days ago

      By working “pretty well” you mean mass starvation, mass murders of the civilian population and complete government authoritarianism. Communism’s death toll rivals ww2 and thats with no foreign intervention.

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        3 days ago

        By working “pretty well” you mean mass starvation, mass murders of the civilian population and complete government authoritarianism.

        Communimsm and authoritarianism are opposites. Cannot have authoritarianism with a stateless and classless society.

        Communism’s death toll rivals ww2 and thats with no foreign intervention.

        What’s that death toll? Because in the US alone, capitalism kills about 40k per year, due to gatekeeping things like healthcare.

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          3 days ago

          If that’s your opinion then no matter what I say you are going to hit me with the “true communism has never been tried”

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            2 days ago

            Oh, it has been tried! For example, the Free People Territory in what is now Ukraine. Killed off by authoritarians pretending to be communists in the the USSR. Also, Neozapatistas in the Chiapas region. Cuba is doing a pretty fair shake at it, as well, and a lot of suffering there happening because of the myriad invasions, assassination attempts, and now economic embargo on them by the US. Rojava is doing a system that borrows a lot from communism (Democratic Confederalism).

            So, since we’re doing economic death tolls: What is the death toll from just the US capitalist system? Like, 1 million dead during COVID, 40k per year from gatekeeping health care, how many died in Iraq? Afghanistan? How many indigenous people in the US have died from capitalism? I think just the last one puts the holocaust to shame…

            Where has capitalism been tried that hasn’t resulted in massive death tolls?

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              1 day ago

              Ironically, you completely fell into proving my point.

              Somehow, I don’t think you’ll figure that out… Not today, maybe, but in the future, hopefully.

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                1 day ago

                Ironically, you completely fell into proving my point.

                You mean, by supplying actual examples of when it was tried, and when it worked?

                Somehow, I don’t think you’ll figure that out… Not today, maybe, but in the future, hopefully.

                Someday, you’ll figure out that capitalism is basically just “Might equals right”. Not today, by in the future, maybe. I don’t hold out much hope, though.

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                  1 day ago

                  Here’s the discussion you have involved yourself in on…

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                  Good job. Your input has been more noted in the abdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz parts you have paid no attention to, else you’d have never typed a thing. Had you paid any attention, you’d have realised you’re doing exactly what is being discussed.

                  Ironically, you completely fell into proving my point.

                  You mean, by supplying actual examples of when it was tried, and when it worked?

                  Whatever scratches your itch.

                  And, please, don’t talk to me like some proponent of capitalism when I just said all social ideologies are failures against human nature. Pay some respect and read what people are saying before you insist on yourself.