I know this is a dumb question… But i cant really aford a vpn like at all, is it possible to torrent without using a vpn in the USA or will i get in some trouble and go to jail if i torrent without a vpn?
The reason i cant get a vpn is because im just broke and im young enough to live with family so i cant really get a job.
Do your ISP a favor and use a VPN when torrenting. They will know you’re torrenting based on traffic patterns, but they won’t know what you’re torrenting. That way they don’t have to serve you a notice or kick you off their service at the behest of movie or music studios. Your ISP may not care what you’re doing, but those businesses do, and the law is on their side.
VPN makes it extremely difficult for your ISP to spy on you, which is the whole point.
Let’s just get a VSP from Ethiopia and stop worrying about it.
How will they know you’re torrenting if all they see is a lot of wireguard traffic? You could be uploading backups to a remote location for all they know
Just gettin’ a few linux ISOs
I’ve been collecting over 10 TB of Linux ISOs this year.
On behalf of whoever is paying for your internet connection, do not torment without a VPN.
If you ignore this advice, be aware that the aformentioned person will get a nastygram in the mail, complete with the exact title of the torment you downloaded. They have no qualms with outing your darkest perversions to the breadwinner(s) in your household.
Depends on jurisdiction and what you torrented. Is the US uniformally militant on torrents?
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In my experience the nastygram accused me of downloading a ton of different things but I there was only maybe one thing I actually did? They’re very bad at figuring out what you’re torrenting only that you are
Those letters originate from the rights holders, who have leechers in the swarm, verifying that you are actively uploading data to them. Your ISP doesnt care if you torrent, or who you torrent to. They wont originate a letter unless a rightsholder requires them to.
The rightsholder has your IP address, and the name of the file you sent them. Data for those files was sent to their leechers by your IP address, perhaps not by you, but by some machine operating on your network, or through it.
It is possible that the letter to your ISP included a list of both IP addresses belonging to several of their customers, and filenames sent from all of those customers. It is possible that the ISP sent out letters to each of the individual subscribers, and just attached the full list of files from the original complaint.
Save your lunch money for however long it takes to be able to buy a year of VPN like Mullvad in your country.
You aren’t paying for your internet so you’d be an asshole to put the account holder under scrutiny for torrenting without protection. Especially when they are also covering your rent, elecricity, gas, food, clothing, etc. Don’t be a selfish asshole.
If you can’t get VPN don’t be entitled and go off torrenting because other people say it is fine. You aren’t paying for internet so you don’t get the privilege to decide if it is fine or not.
Mullvad stopped allowing port forwarding, sadly, which complicates torrenting. They had valid reasons for dropping support, but it makes it much harder to complete a solid connection via Mullvad.
Yeah mullvad is great for certain use cases but torrenting is not one of them
Still sad about this. Mullvad feels like the best privacy-centric choice and I’ve been using them for a year, but once I set up my media server I realized how vital port forwarding is. Ended up switching to Proton, who I’m still uncomfortable with due to their CEO’s political comments earlier this year, but they’re arguably the best choice right now.
Airvpn is supposed to be as private as mullvad but def not as user friendly in my experience.
It can’t be as private as mullvad, it has usernames and they log traffic amounts.
I use them though.
If you are broke and cannot afford a VPN, I suggest you use I2P.
I2P is basically an internet protocol that treats all kinds of internet activity in the manner a torrent works.
Basically, you run a local node.
Traffic is routed around in a bunch of anonymized, encrypted chunks, from many different users, which are then bunched up together into packets and encrypted again.
As a client, you can only decrypt the parts of a packet that pertain to you…
But as a node, you help move packets along to every other person who is running a node, in a sort of meshnet like fashion.
The result is a free, but very slow, but also pretty well anonymized way of passing net traffic around…
…and it is also arguably more private/secure than a VPN, which can simply hand over its server logs if legally asked to…
…and it is also arguably more private/secure than TOR, which can have de-anonymization attacks run on it if enough onion nodes, or your entry/exit nodes, are either comprimised or just outright run as honey pots, which is a thing various law enforcement agencies do.
However, another downside to I2P is that it is… considerably more technically complex for most users to actually set up and use properly, than just a basic VPN for switching your geoip to watch Brazillian netflix or w/e.
But, it does allow torrenting and portforwarding, and is totally free.
Don’t expect to be able to stream any media with it though, it is again very slow.
Couldn’t you potentially have the same thing you describe for tor happening with i2p?
In some sense yes, but:
If your TOR entry exit node is comprimised, you are basically fucked.
I’ve seen estimates that roughly 1/3 of them are comprimised, run by State actors of some kind.
People seem to forget that TOR was originally invented by the US Navy and used by them and the CIA and shit to move sensitive data around in the early 2000s, possibly late 90s.
Then they handed it off to the public.
Do you really think they do not know how to defeat it, when they really want to?
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Also… I2P traffic is more anonymized/encrypted than TOR traffic is, in that each chunk in each packet is anonymized and encrypted… each packet is kind if a sausage of a bunch of people’s data being moved around all at once, the whole point is you can’t tell whose data ia whose.
IIRC, TOR packets do not work this way, they’re specifically addressed to a single encrypted and anonymized person.
So, its easier to reverse engineer who is the actual person using the network.
Whereas with I2P, you’re always routing for others as well as receiving your own data, albeit much, much more slowly.
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Don’t go tormenting without a VPN.
…depending on your country. Some countries don’t give a flying fuck: in that case, don’t waste money on VPNs if you don’t need it.
But im broke which is why i want to pirate, Do i just use a bunch of free trials?
Just use a free VPN like proton.
You can torrent on Proton’s free version now?
Nope. I was wrong about that. I just looked into it more and you can’t. I have always had the paid version, I didn’t realize that was one of the features missing from the free tier. My bad
Torrenting isn’t the only way to pirate stuff and you can absolutely pirate on Proton’s free version.
AFAIK Proton has a free tier.
I think their free tier prevents you from torrenting
I think you can bypass this by using the WireGuard profile instead of their official app, haven’t tried this for quite some time though
Can you even do this in their new desktop app, as far as I know, profiles are for paid users only
If I remember correctly you can download a profile from https://account.protonvpn.com/downloads#wireguard-configuration
You can choose if you want to use a free or premium server (obviously the premium server is only gonna work if you also have a premium subscription)
Bro, you can get a vpn for stupid cheap these days. Some reputable companies frequently offer deals for less than $5 per month.
Mullvad is always $5 a month. They’re fantastic.
Private trackers.
In the USA when you are caught torrenting copyrighted material it is because a firm hired by copyright owners sits in the public swarm logging IPs. They then send a warning to your ISP, who in turn sends you a warning.
Private trackers are by their nature a club that tries their damnedest to prevent people working for those kind of companies from joining the site to begin with.
It is still smart to use a VPN but your ISP isn’t generally targeting your data in transit itself. It’s usually a third party company hired out who cannot see your data streams directly. Thus a private tracker reduces the need for such measures since you are less likely to run into a hired hand logging your IP from a private tracker swarm.
It would be incredibly stupid to still not use a vpn in the states. If a kid who has never tormented before can get an invite to a private tracker, so can a consultant with an antipiracy group. And with a corporate fiber connection and limitless storage budget they could easily sit on thousands of torrents from private sites without having to worry about ratio. The site moderator would never know anything is up until all their users start getting piracy notices, and even then itd be hard to track down the one doing the logging.
Private trackers usually have a limit of active torrents you can have depending on your ratio tier. Sitting on every torrent in a private tracker for one user would be a huge red flag, so the only way to have it work would be to have many accounts. Even then, unless they’re seeding content, they will probably be kicked if their upload is 0 bytes after a month or whatever interval accounts are purged.
Sure, there are probably some studios going after high profile torrents on private trackers, but thinking they would be monitoring thousands of torrents is a stretch.
Why wouldnt they be seeding? If they own the rights or are acting on behalf of the rightsholders they dont have to worry about the criminality of it, and they have the resources to be in the highest seeding ratio if they want. They could literally build up an account to be the most active seeder on the site and just be collecting logs the whole time until they decide to burn the account and act on all the data they’ve collected.
If they have the rights to distribute it and can seed it, than what is the crime? I would have to imagine that if a studio wants to limit the spread of pirated material, hiring a firm who will distribute and spread the content the studios are looking to limit is counterproductive. IANAL but i think that if a studio were to take someone to court for piracy and it was discovered that the studio (or a hired firm) was legally providing the content to the defendant, it would be a huge hole in the case, and be grounds for dismissal.
Im not suggesting they upload it, but they literally do seed torrents to get a list of all clients who connect to them and download, because the torrent is still an unauthorized distribution for everyone else. I think it totally should be considered illegal, but thats how theyve been doing it for years.
https://torrentfreak.com/the-pirate-bay-helps-to-expose-copyright-troll-honeypot-130604/
but they literally do seed torrents to get a list of all clients who connect to them and download
Actually, if I recall correctly they tend to seed only partial files because what they actually want to hit people with is distribution. If I understand the legal situation around it correctly, the act of downloading is much harder to pursue in civil court as opposed to damages for distribution. Because they need to prove that you’re not just downloading it for yourself but distributing it to others, hence sitting in the swarm and logging IPs of anyone who sends data to them.
All I’m going to say is that my ISP used to send me notices from the MPAA about what I was downloading and that I should:
- Cease and desist
- Remove the content I downloaded.
Since I setup a VPN, I do not get those notices.
Do I need to say more?
Do I need to say more?
Yes. Did the notices cost you anything, or did you ignore them without consequences?
They were mostly threatening. For me the peace of mind of knowing that they can’t really track what’s being downloaded to my ISP/my account/me, is enough.
I don’t know if the MPAA is going to lose its mind like the RIAA did with the whole Napster thing. I don’t want to get caught up in it if they do.
For that peace of mind, I pay for my VPN.
If that’s not valuable to you, then you’ll make different choices. I’m not here to tell anyone what to do, I’m just giving my experience and opinion.
Good luck out there.
And no, I wasn’t charged either for the notice, nor legally charged as the result of a notice.
Don’t subject your family to nasty letters in their mail from your ISP. You won’t go to jail, but you might risk your internet service getting canceled, which won’t be a fun conversation with your parents.
If you’re 18 and healthy, go donate plasma at a local clinic. In the USA depending on where you are, you can make $40-$80 per week, sometimes even more if they have a big shortage. Takes about 90 minutes a session, and you just chill with a needle in your arm and browse on your phone, super easy.
Proton VPN’s most expensive plan is $108 for 2 years, you can afford that. Go to your friends or neighbors and offer to do some yard work for cash. Mow their lawn, shovel bark, dig up dead shrubs, whatever. That’s the main way I made money when I was in my teens. People will pay 20-30 bucks an hour in most places for that kind of work, so a few hours of that in a week or two and you’ve got your $108 for Proton VPN, or whatever other VPN you want to use.
Sell some crap on eBay, FB marketplace, Craig’s List, etc. Old clothes, computer parts, consoles, weights, people will buy anything. You’d be surprised how fast I’ve gotten rid of junk buy posting it online for 10 bucks.
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im young enough to live with family
Tell your parents that they’ll lose their internet if they don’t give you $20 per year for VPN.
I’ve never used a vpn while torrenting in the US. Unless utorrent has one built in. Been doing it for 25 years and never had a problem.
People probably won’t like that answer, but whatever. It’s true.
Who is your ISP? Or do you just use your neighbor’s connection?
I’ve used multiple providers over the years.
I would appreciate any advice you might have on a provider who isn’t a scum-sucking sycophant of the copyright industry. I assure you, your experience is the exception, not the rule.
I doubt there are any examples. I’m well aware of your aCkchully reply, if you’d have read my entire comment.
I read your entire comment. What I didn’t read is any information on how I can duplicate your experience. I’d like to subscribe to one of these ISPs, if they are available in my area. Is there a reason I can’t know who is providing this superior service?
You want every provider I’ve used in the last twenty five years?
27 years, actually. Specifically, since October 12th, 1998.
I have been looking for a US ISP with the balls to ignore their obligations under the DMCA since the DMCA was implemented.
If the number is excessively multitudinous, feel free to leave out any dial up providers you used back in the late 90s/early 2000s. You can also leave out any ISP that has since merged into another, or gone out of business.
For me, that would leave five names in 27 years, none of which would be a surprise, and all of which issue DMCA letters.
I would love to hear about even one of the many unicorns you’ve engaged over the past quarter century.
im young enough to live with family so i cant really get a job.
This doesn’t really track, or it’s just worded weird. You can start working part-time at age 14 in most states in the US. Now, you could be a student who’s too busy with school/sports to get a job, but if you have time to pirate I doubt that’s a limiting factor.
Now, I don’t personally care what your actual case is. I’m just pointing out that your claims don’t add up.
This is a joke, right?
The US is currently economically collapsing, nearly every company/corp is firing and laying people off, an entry level job requires 3 to 5 years of experience, and something like 60% of companies freely admit to posting ghost jobs, fake online job listings that never actually result in a hire, or are just done to pretend an internal promotion is actually being competetively sourced to the whole job market.
It is extremely difficult for young people to find a job right now, one that ends up paying more than they’d lose in the costs of buying a car and gas and insurance to get to said job.
Its not zero-effort, but you can safely torrent without a VPN using I2P. You’d have to have an I2P router running on the backend and use something like i2psnark to connect. Out of the box, I2P won’t work, you have to adjust the config, but after that you could go VPN-less. Two things to consider though: 1. Torrents will run slower. 2. Only trackers inside the I2P network would be reachable.
