Edit: A few comments mention the power imbalance between Lewinsky as an intern and the president. This meme shouldn’t be seen as me approving of Clinton’s behavior but point out that an adult man having “sexual relations” with a child should have some bearing against a sitting president.

If Clinton is in the Epstein files, show the world.

  • That Weird Vegan@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    How did we get from there to here. Truly astonishing that a rapist and felon could even have a chance at running for president, let alone winning it

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      You forgot “insurrectionist” too. Remember, a Colorado judge found that Trump had engaged in insurrection, but kept him on the ballot in 2024 for some stupid fucking reason. The argument was that, although the 14th amendment bars “officers” who engaged in insurrection from holding office again, does the chief executive officer of the country, the person holding the office of President, really qualify as an officer? And the answer to that question should obviously be yes. Per the 14th amendment, he should’ve been disqualified from running, and I have no idea how anybody could seriously interpret the intent of the law in any other way.

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      Democrats caring more about their lobbyists rather than the people. Resulting in:

      • Not winding back what republicans put in place, because the corporations wouldn’t like that.
      • Massive corporate welfare.
      • Choosing candidates who are uninspiring “steady as she goes” figures.
      • Them losing their base, and relying on “blue no matter who”
      • The people taking a chance on “anything to shake up the system”.

      Republicans are gonna be republican, but why do democrats have to be too?

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      Because we begrudge history instead of learning how we got spanked and implementing strategies that work for rather than against us. Did we take the same steps Ken Star and George Conway did? Did we take a century view of where we wanted to be and have the skills and patience necessary to get there? Did we maintain an emotional connection with our issues with the public? No, we celebrated too soon and resented rather than learned.

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        This is what people miss about conservatives: they seem to be getting things done. When you have a single-minded focus on a particular thing, like abortion, then regardless of whether you should have done so or not you are going to get it done when you put in the level of time and effort that was done.

        Never mind that it was a cover for lowering taxes on the wealthy - The People voted for it, and so got both in the same package. In contrast, the Dems seem to stand for… what exactly? Besides being merely less obvious about making payments to corporations?

        Survival of the Fittest for now looks like it has doomed the USA Democrats. We’ll see if it has doomed democracy itself (this one globally). All I know is that afaik no democracy in history has ever survived devolution into a 2-party system - the parties each merely claim that they are not the other side, which incentives them to avoid actually doing anything themselves, which causes systemic collapse (hrm, sounds familiar somehow…).

        I wish I could see a way out of this.

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          I wish I could see a way out of this.

          Corrupt individuals being fearful of consequences for their actions would be a good start.

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          Moreover, survival of the fittest refers to the ability to adapt, rather than bludgeoning. Dawkins referred to tit-tit-tat, in The Selfish Gene.

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            It seems to me more like a game of “chicken” - you wouldn’t really vote for the other side, would you? (Immediately votes for other side.) Okay yeah, but you wouldn’t like, do exactly that yet again, would you? (Immediately does that again.) Okay yeah, but you wouldn’t like, do exactly that still yet also again, would you? (Repeat.)

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              When 60% of the population can’t make ends meet, Democrats continue to talk about middle class. They need to address poverty in meaningful ways and get it done.

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                Spoiler: they won’t, but meanwhile Republicans will promise to (BBB lowers taxes on tips and such, thereby incentivizing those styles of employment at the expense of the middle class).

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      Clinton was a Democrat which is why they even cared. meanwhile the gop was diddling kids the entire time. they’ve always been the pedophile party and it was even more of an open secret back then. it was actually a running joke guessing which Republican would be caught diddling kids each month. yet they always rallied and protected their own when allegations came out where as Democrats tended to turn against other Dems if allegations ever came up.