No, we do win elections. We are the steam driving the engine. So many great political leaders with great platforms get destroyed because that stuff doesn’t matter as much as being socially aware.
It’s a game and the left are so far removed from understanding how to find any strategy that works. The people on the right I think inherently get it. I really believe there’s something about people where if you associate with the right leaning issues, it’s because personally you understand something about culture and society that people on the left never will. And this gives them a big advantage.
Just imagine a lake filled with boats having a party blasting lynard Skynyrd with girls in bikinis flashing tits and fireworks going off in the background. If you ask people who they voted for, the answers going to be trump and that’s fucked up that people on the left have no idea how important that is in winning elections
If you ask people to think of a leftist, you get a Reddit moderator.
Elections are now won digitally through shit posting.
I dunno - why not Burning Man, or any alternative rock concert or any R&B concert, or scientists? I guess that’s your point, they are good at branding to their own. I can say with confidence that my kids’ ideas of a leftist are not “Reddit Moderator” because they think that site has been overrun by conservatives.
Look at the GOP. They’re fucking idiots. They don’t play a part. It’s the people around them and their base.
The people around them in 2016 didn’t do anything we don’t already do ourselves. The difference was they coordinate it. I called it out then that you could literally see the right wing users building networks like a slime mold. You could see Dan Bongino building followers and then start posting things from libsotiktok and you’d watch them both share users. Then they branched to Peterson to Charlie Kirk to Ben Shapiro and so on. It wasn’t just engagement and people saying I’m going to add these people to my Twitter. It was building a network to disseminate shit posts and memes quickly and those things are essentially information at the end of the day. It helped keep critical stories alive as more people saw it and created their own which would get passed around these networks.
The GOP wasn’t doing shit. They are just acting like fools and would get certain shit posts bubbling up which they’d go on bring up in the Senate like assholes bringing more attention to cat litter story’s or masks killing people.
But the root of it all was the base was willing to do the work and they were aware that they needed to do the work.
And what happens to every GOP cuck that simps for trump? They are adopted into the administration.
You’d have to be an idiot to not accept they are coordinated. Sure some might just be emulating but when the GOP sends a message its amplified by everyone associated with them.
I am saying they’re coordinated. But it isn’t those politicians. They’re like actors. It’s the teams behind them feeding them lines. Their message is amplified by every day people in the same way that we amplified bean Sheeran moth posts. We’re just spending our time differently
People on lemmy are often polarized between “the problem is all the democrats” or “the problem is the voters”. I think both are to blame. There are definitely more voters than democrats though.
Voters need to learn they have to remain steadfast to achieve anything in this political system.
Democrats need to learn their voters need constant affirmation of their dedication to fixing the broken system.
Just like any relationship, though this one infinitely more complex, all party’s have to want to be together for it to be a success. This requires, amoung other things, daily maintenance.
The DNC rigged the primary for Hilary and pushed Bernie out. My unpopular opinion is that the DNC was within their rights to do that (being a private party and all) but it was shitty as hell.
The DNC is putting their finger on the scale in the NYC mayoral race right fucking now.
The DNC is getting away with this because we can’t be bothered to create a third party or hold them accountable.
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Wow I started this post wanting to disagree with you but…yeah…we really need to be marching against the DNC right now.
The DNC rigged the primary for Hilary and pushed Bernie out.
The “rigging” amounted to “Played favorites in signal-boosting Hillary”. Which, while unfair and shitty, really does nothing to contradict the fact that Bernie lost by far more than the DNC doing signal-boosting for the right-wing cretin.
I voted and marched for Bernie in 2016. I donated at a time when I didn’t really have money to donate. I still love Bernie. But we, the primary voters, failed the US; we primary voters were not prevented from casting the votes they wanted to or playing a rigged game. We, as a very distinct majority, voted for Clinton instead of Bernie. And then for Biden instead of Bernie.
At some point, one must acknowledge the voters are the core of the problem, even if the DNC deserves to be driven to live off locusts in the desert and never show their faces in civilized society again.
The DNC are not responsible for combating this stuff that’s on us. We’re the ones that are impotent.
Ehhhhhhh, they have a role to play in this.
They are responsible for winning elections. So no, we cant do enough on our own to stem the bleeding. We need leadership.
No, we do win elections. We are the steam driving the engine. So many great political leaders with great platforms get destroyed because that stuff doesn’t matter as much as being socially aware.
It’s a game and the left are so far removed from understanding how to find any strategy that works. The people on the right I think inherently get it. I really believe there’s something about people where if you associate with the right leaning issues, it’s because personally you understand something about culture and society that people on the left never will. And this gives them a big advantage.
Just imagine a lake filled with boats having a party blasting lynard Skynyrd with girls in bikinis flashing tits and fireworks going off in the background. If you ask people who they voted for, the answers going to be trump and that’s fucked up that people on the left have no idea how important that is in winning elections
If you ask people to think of a leftist, you get a Reddit moderator.
Elections are now won digitally through shit posting.
I dunno - why not Burning Man, or any alternative rock concert or any R&B concert, or scientists? I guess that’s your point, they are good at branding to their own. I can say with confidence that my kids’ ideas of a leftist are not “Reddit Moderator” because they think that site has been overrun by conservatives.
The DNC have to play a part in coordinating the digital media campaign. You know th GOP does.
Look at the GOP. They’re fucking idiots. They don’t play a part. It’s the people around them and their base.
The people around them in 2016 didn’t do anything we don’t already do ourselves. The difference was they coordinate it. I called it out then that you could literally see the right wing users building networks like a slime mold. You could see Dan Bongino building followers and then start posting things from libsotiktok and you’d watch them both share users. Then they branched to Peterson to Charlie Kirk to Ben Shapiro and so on. It wasn’t just engagement and people saying I’m going to add these people to my Twitter. It was building a network to disseminate shit posts and memes quickly and those things are essentially information at the end of the day. It helped keep critical stories alive as more people saw it and created their own which would get passed around these networks.
The GOP wasn’t doing shit. They are just acting like fools and would get certain shit posts bubbling up which they’d go on bring up in the Senate like assholes bringing more attention to cat litter story’s or masks killing people.
But the root of it all was the base was willing to do the work and they were aware that they needed to do the work.
And what happens to every GOP cuck that simps for trump? They are adopted into the administration.
You’d have to be an idiot to not accept they are coordinated. Sure some might just be emulating but when the GOP sends a message its amplified by everyone associated with them.
I am saying they’re coordinated. But it isn’t those politicians. They’re like actors. It’s the teams behind them feeding them lines. Their message is amplified by every day people in the same way that we amplified bean Sheeran moth posts. We’re just spending our time differently
Its a feedback loop, the politicians are just as much involved as the mouth pieces.
Right, you can only blame groups that are smaller than others.
I assume you have a point and I dont even want to get into because youre not entirely wrong. The people need to do better, thats fact.
People on lemmy are often polarized between “the problem is all the democrats” or “the problem is the voters”. I think both are to blame. There are definitely more voters than democrats though.
Can we just say they ruin each other?
Voters need to learn they have to remain steadfast to achieve anything in this political system.
Democrats need to learn their voters need constant affirmation of their dedication to fixing the broken system.
Just like any relationship, though this one infinitely more complex, all party’s have to want to be together for it to be a success. This requires, amoung other things, daily maintenance.
Yeah, we can.
The DNC rigged the primary for Hilary and pushed Bernie out. My unpopular opinion is that the DNC was within their rights to do that (being a private party and all) but it was shitty as hell.
The DNC is putting their finger on the scale in the NYC mayoral race right fucking now.
The DNC is getting away with this because we can’t be bothered to create a third party or hold them accountable.
…
Wow I started this post wanting to disagree with you but…yeah…we really need to be marching against the DNC right now.
The “rigging” amounted to “Played favorites in signal-boosting Hillary”. Which, while unfair and shitty, really does nothing to contradict the fact that Bernie lost by far more than the DNC doing signal-boosting for the right-wing cretin.
I voted and marched for Bernie in 2016. I donated at a time when I didn’t really have money to donate. I still love Bernie. But we, the primary voters, failed the US; we primary voters were not prevented from casting the votes they wanted to or playing a rigged game. We, as a very distinct majority, voted for Clinton instead of Bernie. And then for Biden instead of Bernie.
At some point, one must acknowledge the voters are the core of the problem, even if the DNC deserves to be driven to live off locusts in the desert and never show their faces in civilized society again.