A senior cleric in Iran has issued a fatwa declaring that anyone who threatens Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is “an enemy of God,” state media has reported.
Grand Ayatollah Naser Makarem Shirazi was responding to a question about any threats made by U.S. President Donald Trump and the leaders of Israel, including prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
A fatwa is a ruling on how to interpret Islamic law issued by a clerical authority.
Got too many ‘leaders’ in this globe with a Jesus Christ/God Complex. That’s what is wrong with this world.
That and an extreme lack of empathy, which is confusing
Most organized religions don’t cultivate empathy, especially the ones considered Abrahamic. It probably inhibits it.
It’s all about their gods saying “do these things and you won’t suffer at my hands.” Followers don’t get to think about whether something is correct or the right thing to do. They’re too busy thinking about if it’s going to count as a sin.
Having lived in Utah for way too long, I have seen this among the Mor[m]ons. They’ll do “good works” but it’s very impersonal most of the time.
It’s about grinding the maximum blessings with the least amount of effort. That doesn’t lend itself to empathy.
Especially with the whole temple thing. Spend a couple of hours cosplaying as an avatar for a dead person and still get all the blessings as if you helped a living person in a tight spot.
It’s bizarre given how explicit the teachings of Jesus are. It’s very clear that many churches are cults following the teachings of man, only nominally accepting the word of God
Most organized religions don’t cultivate empathy, especially the ones considered Abrahamic. It probably inhibits it.
This is simply false.
https://theconversation.com/us-muslims-gave-more-to-charity-than-other-americans-in-2020-170689
We found that Muslim Americans gave more to charity, donating an average of $3,200, in 2020, versus $1,905 for other respondents. They also differed from non-Muslims in many ways. For example, nearly 8.5% of their contributions supported civil rights causes, compared with 5.3% of the general public.
All observant Muslim adults with the means to do so are expected to give to charity in adherence to faith-based traditions. One, known as Zakat, is more formal and among the five pillars of Islam that Muslims are expected to adhere to. Another, sadaqah, happens voluntarily.
That made us want to see if religiosity played a role with the charitable patterns of U.S. Muslims. It turns out that Muslims who displayed higher levels of religiosity, such as by praying more often, were also more likely to give to charity than those who prayed less frequently. We found similar trends among non-Muslims.
British Muslims are the most generous group in the UK, giving more than four times as much money to charity each year than the average Brit, according to new research.
The researchers saw this across all income brackets and it rose to its highest amongst those earning between £75,000-£100,000.
Muslims in the UK are also twice as likely as the British average to raise money via community events and via personal challenges such as running marathons, the report says.
Keep fighting the good fight, man. I’ve given up on getting Lemmy atheists to abandon any but the most insane of positions (and even then they dig in their heels half the time).
Imagine judging all organized religions using Mormons out of all people as your basis.
Or any sort of American-based religion tbh. Christianity (the rites and added Roman things, not the supposed core of Jesus’ teachings) is a mess in itself, but then you have Evangelicals and megachurches and whatever other crazy and distinctively American branches they have over there that I’m not surprised that’s their only understanding of religion. Religion is about self-control, everything else is wind.
At least the Mormons are basically communists. Insular, tribe-only, intolerant communists but communists none the less.
The thing I found out when I was a manager is you will get exactly what you measure. If you measure how long it takes to close tickets your customer service will suffer (that’s a stupid thing to measure anyway, but we had a stupid director). If you measure the number of tickets closed then you’ll get each step of a process as a ticket. If you measure billable hours you’ll get a bunch of time padding.
So since the religion is measuring the amount of sin and (in some denominations cases) good works performed, that’s what you’ll get. How many of the big 10 did you stay on the right side of? Did you put in 2 hours at the soup kitchen? Cool, here’s your ticket to heaven. It’s not measuring how good you are to your fellow humans. And they’re pissed if you don’t have to follow the same rules they do because you don’t believe in the same sins. So they try to force others to live by their dumb ass rules instead of trying to get others to be good people.
I cannot speak for other religions but for Islam that is completely false.
Intention is crucial to the evaluation of an action. An outwardly good deed with bad intention is worth nothing, and a bad deed done out of good intention will see forgiveness in its punishment.
See for instance: https://islamweb.net/en/article/156996/the-intention-is-the-foundation-of-every-action
A famous hadith (saying by the Prophet, blessings and peace be upon him) goes as follows (translation of the meaning):
The first of men (whose case) will be decided on the Day of Judgment will be a man who died as a martyr. He shall be brought (before the Judgment Seat). Allah will make him recount His blessings (i. e. the blessings which He had bestowed upon him) and he will recount them (and admit having enjoyed them in his life).
(Then) will Allah say: What did you do (to requite these blessings)?
He will say: I fought for Thee until I died as a martyr.
Allah will say: You have told a lie. You fought that you might be called a" brave warrior". And you were called so.
(Then) orders will be passed against him and he will be dragged with his face downward and cast into Hell.Then will be brought forward a man who acquired knowledge and imparted it (to others) and recited the Qur’an. He will be brought And Allah will make him recount His blessings and he will recount them (and admit having enjoyed them in his lifetime). Then will Allah ask: What did you do (to requite these blessings)?
He will say: I acquired knowledge and disseminated it and recited the Qur’an seeking Thy pleasure. Allah will say: You have told a lie. You acquired knowledge so that you might be called" a scholar," and you recited the Qur’an so that it might be said:" He is a Qari" and such has been said.
Then orders will be passed against him and he shall be dragged with his face downward and cast into the Fire.Then will be brought a man whom Allah had made abundantly rich and had granted every kind of wealth. He will be brought and Allah will make him recount His blessings and he will recount them and (admit having enjoyed them in his lifetime).
Allah will (then) ask: What have you done (to requite these blessings)?
He will say: I spent money in every cause in which Thou wished that it should be spent.
Allah will say: You are lying. You did (so) that it might be said about (You):" He is a generous fellow" and so it was said.
Then will Allah pass orders and he will be dragged with his face downward and thrown into Hell.🙏 Someone with some sources instead of the usual lemmy circlejerk
Islam is still abrahamic and carries the same questionable roots Christianity and Judaism have.
I like your example about foolish management, and you’re right in that’s what you’ll get when you “measure for holiness.” Hypocrites and holier-than-thous galore.
However, and I can only speak from a Christian experience, this is why “works based salvation” is not what is taught by Jesus Himself.
What you speak of with “How many of these laws did you follow enough to get a ticket to heaven?” is Hollywood theology at best, and not at all Biblical.
Numerous times He stresses doing good works in secret, and not to show off to others. (If you get attention for it, that’s your petty little reward, basically.)
A righteous life inspires good works naturally, and the Law makes sure we should never forget that none of us are perfect, therefore we are called to forgive others the way we’d wish to be forgiven.
We are not called to judge others. If you judge others, you’d best be ready to submit to being judged by the same metric. (And will likely be found wanting.)
I too, am I weary and sick of these religious cults, who want to wear the funniest big hats and stand on the highest podiums to look down their nose at all the lesser-thans. Surely, they’ve “already gotten their reward”, and those who use faith to mislead and abuse others do not know their God, and He will not remember them.
A Jesus Christ complex would be refreshing. A leader who would deny earthly pleasures, command their followers to love thy neighbor, feed the hungry, uplift the sick and poor, give long sermons about mercy and forgiving your enemies, and would be seen personally breaking bread with the unhoused and lawyers alike?
That’d freak everybody out for sure.
Don’t forget the flipping tables, beating bankers and money-lenders, and saying that rich people don’t go to Heaven.
and saying that rich people don’t go to Heaven.
Indeed, this is the one the Americhristian cult of “supply-side Jesus” really doesn’t like. LOL
Obtaining significant wealth seems to generally coincide in prioritizing it, at the expense of the love for one’s Creator or fellow human being, and ultimately one’s own soul.
beating bankers and money-lenders,
In the interest of accuracy: He “drove out” bankers and money lenders selling sacrificial animals and such, who turned His Father’s house into a disgraceful shrine to money, but He’s not recorded directly inflicting violence upon them.
This is a crucially important detail given Christ’s Sermon on the Mount, among other examples, where He stresses forgiving one’s enemies:
Matthew 5:38-43
38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40 If anyone wants to sue you and take away your tunic, let him have your cloak also. 41 And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away. Love Your Enemies
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 [a]But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,
“I inherited a lot of power and connections from my parents, I must be a god”
“Jesus complex” is being an imperialistic or violent and abusive pillaging freak? 😭🙃
The Sermon on the Mount is like 4 pages long, come on…
Thank you for this take.
The problem isn’t religion.
The problem is PEOPLE
Thank you for being the voice of reason. I keep telling peole that without religion people would wage war about what the best color is. If you want to be a dick you’ll always find a reason
But maybe we should take away the reasons that make people think divinity supports their actions, instead of them just being shitty people making shitty decisions.
All these guys are a threat to humanity.
As much as I’d like to see this sadistic shitbag removed from society anyway possible, it would be preferable to see him in jail or let the Big Macs take care of him. If an assassination is tied to Iran, that can’t be good for anyone.
They should just have Trump’s dumbass UCW event end with a fight between Trump and the Ali Khamenei. Both are demented authoritarian old fools, and it would be funny to have these “tough guys” in a ring barely able to stand up before a punch is even thrown.
But they’re both cowards that make others do violence for them so that’ll never happen.
When two tribes go to war.
…and Diet Coke, the bastard has to drink something.
He’s not wrong
So he’s the enemy of god? But maga says he’s the second coming of Jesus and doing the lords work? Same Old Testament thinking too
Revelations 13: 16-17
And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.
They’ll convenientlyskip over every part in scripture that demands morality and self-restraint, and holds them accountable to their actions. Oh, and literally all of Jesus’ teachings, lol. Merciless “Christians” are a little bit like “dry water”.
During the WW II the Allies did not consider assassinating Hitler, because they knew who was fucking everything up. The lunatic cleric should realize Mango Mussolini is weakening the USA.
You’re assuming Iran has competent leadership.
Yeah, no shit. I’m with Iran on this one.
Here’s a comprehensive list why killing the orange Shitgibbon is a bad idea:
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*Let’s just hope that if anything ever happens, the event takes large parts of the succession line with it.
Making him a martyr would be a bad consequence.
Once again failing to hold a president accountable for crimes against the country only keeps that avenue wide open for the future.
There’s two
Who would have thought that Iran might save the USA 🙄
It won’t. There’s too many other assets implanted. Vance is no better and he at least knows when to shut the fuck up.
sure as hell wasnt on my bingo card.
Trump: Putting the “fat” in “fatwa” since 1946.
putting the “fat” in “fatwa”
Just how long have you been waiting to use this one?
Iran should have a national twitter for these kinds of burns
Hey. If it happens you won’t hear me complain.
He needs to go. The who how and why doesn’t matter so long as he’s gone. That’s a win for the entire human race.
Has he created a movement, or has there been a movement that has attracted him? As I see it, it’s not just him it’s most of the current GOP leadership, Thiel and the Heritage foundation, Citizens United and a few adjacent organizations that need to go before you can go to a somewhat reasonable functioning society in the US. And frankly the way some Democrats react to the New York primary, they also seriously need to clean house.
Happiness is small moments. Little dots of hope in a sea of despair and misery.
You go to work. Autopilot through the day. Then at lunch or on break you get that sandwich you really love from a nearby shop or your favorite spot. You have that momentary respite before returning to whatever drudgery you’re forced to endure to live in this hole. Now expand that to cover everything all the time. Might be a sandwich. Might be a new episode of your favorite show. A hug from your partner or child.
Tiny moments of joy.
Doe 174 dying is a tiny moment of joy that a whole lot of people will get a whole lot of joy from. So yeah. It’ll be worth it. And I’ll applaud it no matter how it happens.
I was gonna say that it would only be unfortunate due to giving them a reason to attack Iran, but history has shown us that doesn’t matter. We’ll do that regardless. If we dont have a reason we’ve been happy to just make one up.
At this point its really just a matter of not wanting to actually fight America on the battlefield.
The problem is the movement he has created. The same is true of many other politicians in other countries.
Is it a movement or is it a trump cult?
My view is I don’t see this ending if he dies.
It matters. He must not be allowed to go quickly or peacefully. He must be tortured live on the internet until it takes him. I won’t be happy with anything less. After all, it’s the cruelty that matters.
Babe wake up, abrahamic religion is fighting again.
Oh like trump is relgious
He’s not, but the fundamentalist Christians have decided he’s their hero.
Would it be better if he was, though?
If he would take the ten commandments serious, we would be in a very different place.
The same applies to most of high ranking US politicians though. Imagine a world in which the US would not be constantly murdering and robbing people.
The Bible specifically allows killing as an act of war and considers it different from murder. The protagonists of the book also steal stuff all the time.
These commandments are for controlling behavior inside a society, not outside of it.
Trump is a senile and a deeply unserious person. His existence makes me believe that souls might exist because he very much seems like a person without one. He doesn’t think about his actions deeply which is why I believe that if he suddenly turned religious, I don’t think much would change.
When it comes to scripture, it’s important to learn to separate the wheat from the chaff. If suddenly tomorrow he truly believed that God will judge him and that God is wise and just (I feel like any monotheistic religion has at least these attributes), he would have a mental breakdown cause he’d know he’s almost certainly going to Hell, lol. He’s too far away from just basic decency and morality, too in love with money, power and underaged girls, to ever take one step in that direction though. 🤷
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Nah, they could fatwa his fat ass all the same, regardless.
It’s weird when two horrible entities in the world hate each other. Is it popcorn time?
Only in the sense that all our heads will start to pop like popcorn when the nukes start flying.
Iran doesn’t have nukes and their strategy is quite defensive, rather than aggressive. If there is Nukes flying Israel would toss them first and the US would follow in, because they can’t be not throwing bigger bombs than Israel.
Religion is about control
Yup, and always has been. Came to this conclusion when I was young and I cannot see it any other way.
Jesus said very specifically to feed, clothe, and house people in need, and that even letting the poor live on your property and eat your food isn’t enough to keep you out of hell if you don’t actually keep them safe and fed enough. He REALLY insisted, he talked about prisoners rights repeatedly. I’ve never heard of a single church trying to improve prisoners lives. Not one. Someone did the math and discovered that if every building used for religious worship sponsored two people. Housed two homeless people, there would be no homelessness. That’s it. Two people. Now assuming just Christian churches would make those numbers harder, let’s go ahead and double that number even though that’s impossible because the majority of places of worship are Christian in the US by a lot more than 50%, but let’s just pretend it’s 4 people a Christian church. That’s VERY LITTLE EFFORT that would end all homelessness in America.
Try and build a halfway house anywhere in the US and what happens? Thousands of people suddenly are motivated to show up to town hall meetings and sign petitions!
In many countries Mosques allow homeless people to sleep in them , wash themselves and pray there obviously.
Try and build a halfway house anywhere in the US and what happens? Thousands of people suddenly are motivated to show up to town hall meetings and sign petitions!
“Not in my backyard” is a global phenomenon.
Then again, so is “it’s a halfway house, not a drunk tank -> it’s a drunk tank”
Well, Trump is an insult to anyone with more than one functioning brain cell
Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy
First Larry David, now Trump!
Donald Trump: “Enemy of God”
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20g1zvgj4do
‘Anointed by God’: The Christians who see Trump as their saviour
This timeline.
