• Maalus@lemmy.world
    10152·
    1 day ago

    Why are you doxxing people? I get it, they like trump, fuck them. But ultimately putting blame on the parents and showing their faces is fucked.

    • Sanctus@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1272·
      1 day ago

      Are you serious right now? We live in a time of mass strife brought on by the redcaps. If you dont want your face and name on the internet dont support fascism.

        • solsangraal@lemmy.zipEnglish
          121·
          1 day ago

          it’s not “doxxing” when they posted that photo themselves voluntarily. especially since there’s no home address, work address, phone number, etc. they obviously want the world to know they’re maga. and now the world does.

          fuck them

          • Maalus@lemmy.world
            212·
            13 hours ago

            Off of wikipedia - it is an act of publically providing personally identifiable information about an individual without their consent

            1. There is their face - personally identifiable
            2. There is “these are the parents of a murderer” which is the additional information.

            And if you read up on the article you will know that “aggregation from public databases and social media” counts too.

            It may be carried out for reasons such as online shaming (…)

            So yeah, this is 100% doxxing, so save me your “oh you don’t know what it means” spiel.

            • extremeboredom@lemmy.worldEnglish
              2·
              7 hours ago

              Wow, some folks really do have trouble with the concept of cause and effect, don’t they? They gave consent when they publicly posted the pics online.

              • Maalus@lemmy.world
                13·
                7 hours ago

                No, they didn’t give consent to have their names and faces shown publicly to people like you who would shame them for the crime of having a kid that grew up and commited murder.

                • extremeboredom@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  2·
                  5 hours ago

                  Actually they did when they posted their names and photos publicly to the internet. “Public” doesn’t mean only the people that you like.

                  Edit: Additionally, I find your “people like you” statement hilarious. You know nothing about me, you’re upset that these parents were publicly identified, and you assume my motivations (completely incorrectly.) When something is PUBLICLY posted, that means there are NO restrictions on who sees it. Consent is not qualified by “oh I posted it publicly but not for this group of people I don’t like.” Public means everyone. Had they posted it PRIVATELY, you’d have an argument. But they did not, so you don’t have a valid argument, you’re just upset. There’s a difference between the two.

                  • Maalus@lemmy.world
                    12·
                    6 hours ago

                    Read up on the wikipedia definition of doxxing. It states plainly - it can be done from public databases or from social media, and that the goal is often to shame someone. This fits 100%. Otherwise you could argue that “it’s not doxxing, I just went through this guys comments and he slipped up and said that he lives in X city, then posted a photo that let me triangulate his exact location in the city from landmarks”. It is doxxing and a criminal act.

        • Sanctus@lemmy.worldEnglish
          75·
          1 day ago

          They are sending their masked goons to kidnap people. They should not sleep safe or soundly. I’ll make sure to feed your high horse when they come for you.

          • Maalus@lemmy.world
            114·
            13 hours ago

            Ah yes so the best way to handle that is to doxx parents of a murderer because they are MAGA. That will show the government!

            All you are doing is stooping down to their level and using their tactics against people who didn’t have anything to do with the situation other than the fact of “they had a kid”.

            • daisy lazarus@lemmy.worldEnglish
              11·
              11 hours ago

              If you’re MAGA, you endorse Jan 6 and support a convicted felon to lead the world.

              Fuck MAGA.

              Fuck these two—in spite of their alleged murderer son.

              • Maalus@lemmy.world
                17·
                10 hours ago

                You don’t commit crimes against people because “they support maga”. Otherwise what you are doing is legitimizing them committing crimes against you, because you aren’t maga. Let the courts handle this, not public opinion, and defo not public opinion aimed at the parents of the perp.

                • extremeboredom@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  2·
                  2 hours ago

                  Crimes were not committed against the parents. There is no gag order on publicly posted info. If they receive threats as a result, THEN a crime will have occurred: it is illegal to make threats.

      • Maalus@lemmy.world
        210·
        13 hours ago

        You are putting their faces in the public to hundreds / thousands of people, telling them “go hate these people”. Yes, it is doxxing. This will lead to crazies harassing them. You can also reverse image search them to directly find them.

    • jhoff90@lemmy.world
      23·
      1 day ago

      His own parents had no contact orders against him after he made numerous threats on their lives. He was arrested for assault with a deadly weapon. He posted radicalized ideas and conspiracy theories on his X account.

      Trumpism is both a disease and a mental disorder, and ignoring your deranged kid because he’s too difficult to handle and who obviously has some F***ed up ideas about the world is pretty messed up on their behalf.

      • Maalus@lemmy.world
        29·
        13 hours ago

        Okay, so?

        Does that mean they shouldn’t have protective orders out? What should they be doing, forcefully trying to insert themselves into a situation where they are in danger and the kid has shown multiple times he isn’t interested / is actually threatening?

        This to me makes it even more fucked up that their faces are being shown like this online.

        • beejboytyson@lemmy.world
          51·
          13 hours ago

          You aren’t very smart. This really the hill you wanna die n? Defending to hide free and open information ?

          • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
            24·
            11 hours ago

            How is OP “trying to hide” anything? Saying we shouldn’t aggregate and publish PII about the parents of a terrorist who have sought legal protection from that person isn’t “trying to hide” anything, it’s pleading for others to prevent harassment. There’s zero evidence that the parents have anything to do with this and some evidence of the opposite, yet the OP is trying to create a link because they share political opinions with the current administration.

            I get it, I strongly dislike Trump and have since I saw him in the primaries back in the 2010s, and I would like nothing more than for every bad thing to be legitimately caused by him and his ideas. But that’s not the case, and that doesn’t mean every crazy person with a gun was somehow corrupted by parents who likely voted for Trump.

            It’s much more likely that the parents did their best to teach the kid respect for first responders (conservatives tend to have a hard-on for police and firefighters), guns, etc, and the kid stumbled onto a manipulative online community at just the wrong time in his life (say, a messy divorce) and that corrupted him. Or maybe it’s a classic case of schizophrenia. Idk, but I’m pretty sure his parents’ political beliefs are unrelated. This could’ve happened to a family with progressive views who also happen to like guns, I knew plenty of those growing up.

            • tiny_iota@endlesstalk.orgEnglish
              1·
              9 hours ago

              I think most peoples attitudes towards trumpies being ‘doxxed’ is circumstance. For instance I can make the case that trump voters doxxed every single muslim in the US of A by saying he’d ban them, or the central park 5–even after they were proven innocent–or people of Mexican descent for being rapists. And then voting for the hate filled sack. So its ok to dox the masses but not individuals? How many mass shootings have happened because of that? How many untold number of those minorities were turned town jobs or shunned by society because Trump came down that elevator and said they were ‘bad hombres’?

              What goes around comes around is what I think the saying is? Maybe that’s why no one shedding any tears for these folks? Just my two cents. But I don’t think anyone should feel this way, its all driven by politics.

          • Maalus@lemmy.world
            24·
            12 hours ago

            You do realize that “doxxing” uses “free and open” information too, right?

    • UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world
      201·
      1 day ago

      In phycology it’s usually the parents that fuck their kids up. I see it all the time. If they had turbulent marriage then the kid had a turbulent life.

      From CNN

      “Court documents show that Roley had a tumultuous family life growing up. His mother filed for divorce in September 2015, when her son was 10 years old, and wrote in court documents that her husband had threatened her, pushed her to the ground, and “punched several holes in the walls.”

      “He threatened to sit outside my house with a sniper rifle or burn my house down,” she wrote.

      A judge granted a protective order preventing Roley’s father from having contact with his wife or son, but later amended the order to remove the son after his father wrote in a court filing that “I am not a danger to my son or anyone else” and that his wife “did not tell the truth in her statement.”

      The divorce was granted in November 2015, and Roley’s mother was designated as his “primary residential parent.”

      Sometimes the kids are just dicks though.