Furious Democrats are pushing “Squad” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) to primary Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) after he agreed to vote with Republicans to avoid a government shutdown, according to reports.

  • GoatTnder@lemmy.world
    31·
    9 hours ago

    As long as the US uses a first-past-the-post system, third parties will not be viable. The only REAL way to go forward is to take over the Democratic party and push it left. We’ll see how it goes…

    • grue@lemmy.world
      1·
      28 minutes ago

      The US has always had two parties, but it hasn’t always had the same two parties. Creating a new party that’s successful is entirely possible, if doing so completely destroys one of the existing parties in the process.

      For example, the Whig Party emerged after the Federalist Party collapsed, and the Republican Party emerged after the Whig Party collapsed.

      See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_parties_in_the_United_States

    • oxysis@lemm.eeEnglish
      72·
      8 hours ago

      While it will be a problem I think right now it is worse to stick under the Democrat label. Right now the Democrats are a fascist-lite party which has only served to drag down real progressive candidates and stab the common man in the back in favor of status quo or for needless compromise. The Democratic Party is so deeply rotten that abandoning it is just the better option.

      Edit: The Democratic Party is held up by its progressive wing, the progressives help maintain the party’s image of being left wing/centrist. Once the progressives leave the real nature of the party will cause it to collapse under its own failures.

      This will not be the first time we have had one of the major parties fall in this nation. Like the Federalists, Democratic-Republicans and Whigs before it, it is time for a dying party to disintegrate. It is time for a new party which actually has to give a shit is formed.

      • Mog_fanatic@lemmy.world
        41·
        6 hours ago

        You are high off your rocker if you legitimately think you have a better chance of winning as an independent (or whatever they want to call the new party) than a democrat right now. We are so woefully entrenched in a two party system that we need multiple elections cycles just for a third party to even get a foothold in people’s minds. I am very very in favor of additional parties and have always thought that the two party system is absolutely terrible for just about everything we wish a government to do but at this point I just don’t see it happening for quite some time, epecially with first past the polls voting.

        John Adams was painfully accurate in his warning:

        Let me now warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party… It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeebles the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption… There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties.

        The whole letter is fantastic and incredibly salient today. But this sums it up decently.

        • grue@lemmy.world
          1·
          19 minutes ago

          We are so woefully entrenched in a two party system that we need multiple elections cycles just for a third party to even get a foothold in people’s minds.

          No, quite the opposite: we need a whole bunch of non-fascist Democrats to spectacularly defect all at once, such that the public perceives the new party as having captured the initiative and momentum. The loss of that public mindshare and base of support would then cause the remaining dregs of the Democratic Party to collapse.