I have spent hours looking through the files and some of the stories are absolutely disgusting. I am having such a hard time because so many citizens don’t even know how awful they get and they aren’t all even fully released… I am close to feeling like we need pitchforks, torches and shovels if this justice system won’t actually do anything… He had a ranch where a witness wrote in saying there are TWO bodies located on the property and they haven’t even reported that in the media. I’ll link that one below too. It’s just so… Horrible. We can’t just pretend this doesn’t exist… but idk what happens next for the United States and the world. It’s not something a country just moves on from.
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet 9/EFTA00078198.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet 9/EFTA01249507.pdf
Remember, the FBI found NOTHING to even start looking into an investigation.
Zero reasons.
This isn’t just about America, or MAGA, or even Trump. I always understood that this was an international enterprise, but as I read this stuff, I’m realizing that it was bigger and uglier than my worst imaginings.
I just read about a wealthy guy in a Detroit in the 70s who ran an Epstein-like operation on an island he purchased in one of the Great Lakes. He built a giant mansion on it, and started hosting underage sex parties for wealthy men. The article suggested that he might have been an inspiration for Epstein.
The point is that these people have always been here, and now that Epstein is gone, someone else will be taking his place. Nobody understands the scope of Epstein’s business better than his best friend Trump, who also recognizes how lucrative it is, and he is psychological incapable of resisting those riches.
He also has easy access to plenty of sex products. He has enormous detainment centers full or poorly documented children, separated from their families, lawyers, or anyone else who might care about them. They could be disappeared for a long time before someone notices, if ever. I’m sure we’ll find that the prettiest ones, of both sexes, are being scheduled for transfer…somewhere.
Putin has also kidnapped thousands of Ukrainian children, another source for East European girls, for those who aren’t turned on by brown children.
You can bet that someone is rebuilding an international child sex operation somewhere, and I’m betting that Trump is in on it.
Do you have more information about the thing you describe around Detroit?
That’s the one. Fascinating story.
You can bet it doesn’t need to be rebuilt because it never stopped and Epstein was just part of an international ring that involved people from all kinds of positions of authority. In my city alone there were law enforcement , boy scout leaders, and Catholic priests all enabling each other and helping to cover up their crimes while flying people in from all over the world to do this fucked up shit.
Thats one city. Imagine that kind of fucked up shit has been happening all over the world for decades or maybe even centuries. No way in hell it ever stopped because Epstein was indisposed.
You know that plot in the original true detective about the Louisiana pedophile murder ring? It turns out that was almost certainly based on real stories.
I will say that it’s fucking insane to think about the fact that Trump and all of his oligarch friends have now legalized kidnapping and trafficking people thanks to ICE/DHS. The implications of what they’re almost certainly continuing to do out in the open have got to be pretty obvious, right?
Kidnapping so many people that you can just get away with just losing track of them? Why wouldn’t they just keep doing the same shit they’ve always done?
It gets even worse when you realize that the reason why these people don’t want social programs is because they need poor, vulnerable kids to prey on. They managed to convince people to literally sacrifice their children, albeit quite indirectly.
Makes you think about USAID…and wtf DOGE may have destroyed there. DOGE’s whole point was to burn as much evidence as fast as possible. Wonder how many of those 125+ year old SSI beneficiaries managed to show up to vote in 2024.
Check out the franklin scandal from the 80s. It might be the same CIA ring as Epstein.
and these are the people Iranian diaspora are begging to drop bombs on Iran. I bet their ancestors would be rolling in their graves because of the disgrace some of these diaspora Iranians have become.
Yes it’s terrifying, and so is that font you use
❤️justice.gov❤️/epstien🥰/files 🌈🤭
lol I appreciate the font roast. I love my font but I do respect others hate for it.
I love your font.
Same, that typeface is amazing.
It was a bit of light in the dark 💕
No one is asking about the girls that did not make it back from the island. These criminals are lucky we are no longer in the medieval period
the point is that there is not a critical mass of people willing to risk everything to change things.
In the Medieval times it would be the same. Would the average person really want to try and storm castle against professional soldiers wearing plate armour?
These criminals are lucky we are no longer in the medieval period
Medieval Europe, a region and time period famous for its strict stance against rich old men having sex with children.
i see what you did there.
Luigi 'em all
This is what I don’t get when folk online treat girls under 18 of any age as the same thing. A full grown person who’s a 30 something adult being with a 17 year old is exploitative, controlling and weird.
Being with an 8 year old is monstrous and, frankly, worthy of the death penalty.
I’m not excusing the first, but do people really see no difference? If you need a legal line in the sand to determine if it’s either totally fine or straight to the guillotine then maybe there’s something wrong with you.
Fuck, man, doing this to an adult is heinous. Doing it to a child? I’m not typically a violent person. But I’d kill them.
Same.
Both deserve jail time, and the only people who really care that much are usually from the former group distancing themselves from the latter.
Both are fucking gross. I don’t care who’s more evil, I both want them shot into the sun. Second one just might deserve a slower ride so they feel the burn a bit more.
Pedophilia is the attraction to children younger than 12-10 to around 3, this is what was occurring mainly within that island. Of course, there where women within their teens and adults which don’t technically qualify as pedophilia but are referred to it either way - which is incorrect.
Of course, pedophilia according to dsm5 on itself is listed as a mental disorder, nepophilia is also included. However, it is to say, attraction to those above 13 is not considered as a mental disorder. It also helps to know, that biologically such individuals are closer to adults than children, so it goes in hand with your last paragraph.
It is the sake that the legal line is essentially an “anchor” point, especially since we still believe in hoaxes which are related to growth and maturity. As such this incorrect view is projected to everyone even if the facts are different to what people expect.
In essence, the whole premise overall seems to be fueled by misinformation which is causing the whole “under 18” group to appear as one and the same, no matter the age. This is a major problem I agree, and the misuse of the word pedophilia tells a big story about it.
The reason you don’t hear more people explaining the difference between being a pedophile and being an ephibophile is that it makes you look like a pedophile.
Case in point.
That is true, it is the case for all minor attractions. Within the current situation, the most prominent issue is that information is not factually based and definitions are skewed. Like the original commenter had said, this introduces ambiguity.
there’s a joke that goes technically there are 3-4 different words for what the layman calls pedophilia, but the only people who know the difference are psychiatrists and pedophiles
I swear to god if fedi starts defending “ephebophilia” as if its meaningfully different enough to matter I’m going to start cutting dicks off lmao.
You’re missing the point here. This isn’t about defending whatever you seem to disagree on. Its the fact that you seem to think critical analysis is meaningless and “indifferent”. The first commenter had this message instilled, yet you are correlating this to things which where not even mentioned.
In respect to the post itself, then yes the age designation is meaningless as you cannot redefine rape and abuse. It is pretty clear that this comment thread was for a specific issue.
Why should it matter to society what the difference between the two is, if the better of the two is still bad enough that they should be hung by their toenails and beaten to death with a sack of hammers?
After a certain amount of bad, there’s not much you can do to punish it.
What reason do we have to discuss the difference, unless you think a 30 year old fucking a 17 year old is redeemable?
To answer your question, firstly consider the point of what is misinformation. Because this isn’t about the right or wrongs, but the factualities of science and countering misinformation. The function of this thread was to analyse the differences between different stages of age groups which are considered minors. This was highlighted by the root op.
What reason do we have to discuss the difference, unless you think a 30 year old fucking a 17 year old is redeemable?
Redirecting the question to you, why do you think it is reasonable to be going off topic?
It is clear the overall aim here is to reinforce the actualities. By introducing rhetorical questions such as “Why should it matter to society what the difference between the two is” it is an attack on education as a whole. Highlighting the differences and defining facts is the whole foundation of society. Of course, this isn’t ethics class, it is biology and psychology.
This is a comment chain in a post about the Epstein files in which the top comment in the chain is about a 30 year old fucking someone in their late teens.
Its entirely on topic, fuck off with your bad faith arguments.
This isn’t ethics class, or biology class, or sociology class…
Its a comment section about billionaire kiddy fuckers not getting the justice they deserve. Are you sure you’re in the right place?
an 18 dating a 16 is one thing, and whatever justification can be used then is not applicable to a 30yo dating a 16 yo, let alone any younger… and any argument made by those pedos deserves no response besides putting them on a list
If this brings the western world down then good. Whatever happens, we cannot ignore it. This is what wealth in capitalists nations degenerates into.
well some people are resigning due to being named in the files except the people in the USA. i dont put much hope for USA, but other countries might be able to do it.
Because non capitalist, non Western nations don’t do anything like this, right? Junko Furata, African child soldiers, South Asian sex trafficking rings, Khmer Rouge…need we go on?
I’m fucken sorry, who has the only known example of a global paedophile ring implicating nearly all of its leaders? This is fucking unprecendented. No need to take it personally unless you are a capitalist.
Most organized crime in every nation practices sex trafficking, rape, prostitution and slavery of one kind or another. From the Yakuza to the Mexican cartels. It is unprecedented, it’s simply very visible. If you think Putin and his oligarchs or the Saudi royals, for example, don’t have similar organized immorality, then you’re naive. Nevermind past eras or horrors like imperial Japan, who stabbed babies in the womb, the Mongols whose torture and rape was historically prolific, the Aztecs human sacrifices, the list goes on and on. Oh and the world wide Catholic Church? The most prolific child sex abusers in known history?
None of those are global, and if the saudis are anywhere they’re probably also in the files which would just make that part of the same capitalist carnal club. I don’t see President Xi, or many non-US aligned leaders in here. Its not you or I, why are you so offended?
The Catholic Church and organized crime are both global…if you don’t even know that, why am I bothering with you?
Saudis are perfectly capable of maintaining their own network as they do their systems of slavery. Epstein was certainly not the only network like this, either.
You just sound like an anti west troll, spreading propaganda.
You sound like a westoid troll, “our government is doing it so can you imagine what the rest of the world is doing!? Omg!”
Competing networks, territorial splits. It’s visible in the files that this is a global thing and we see only the tip of an iceberg with one example group
I wonder what came first, the alignment of the current axes of power, or the elite pedophile gang rings that operate within them.
The pedophilia seems to be a dually motivated method to create suffering and political blackmail currency. In older times blood/virgin sacrifices etc haven’t needed the latter
Nope, it’s very clear in the files they hated Xi, Castro and communism and spoke of them as explicit deterrents to their operations.
They had projects with Castro. Something in the seas. Asia is operated by a different network
Good points. However a big difference here is that this organized debauchery and perversions is weaponized to blackmail the most powerful countries in the world into supporting fascists in a small little country to do unspeakable things, that is also exporting that fascism to those home countries.
So the blackmail angle, to ultimately destroy the liberal democracies that these countries are built on, makes it a little different.
Blackmail definitely isn’t unique to this situation. The US has specific provisions for conflicts of interest to safeguard against this kind of blackmail because they know it happens. MAGA simply ignore it all and was allowed to. Power finds a way and blackmail is as old as politics.
I am sure it’s not unique, do we have any more historical examples we can point to though? All I have is the borgia pope.
Examples of blackmail in politics? Seriously?
The thing is those are criminals.
This is a whole country’s government.
Of criminals.
The files do mention Putin, as being a deterrent to their operations in Russia. And they hated Xi and Castro. Seems like SOME leaders and powerful people are not sex trafficking pedos 🤷♂️
Or they prevented competition. Their resistance is not necessarily a sign of being better. Putin’s soldiers in Ukraine are doing horrific things, his KGB does horrific things, Russian Mercs in Africa do horrific things. Well never know the exact details so there’s no way to know.
You say that with no evidence of anything. Dude do you actually think Russia is more advanced than the US in its intelligence? Do you think Putin would be able to hide a network like this from the CIA, who wouldn’t use it against him? You’re just pulling stuff out of your ass, motivated entirely by russiophobia.
That’s…an interesting way to spin it.
That’s… Also bad? Why are you bringing that up?
Because the claim seemed to be that the west, and capitalism, is somehow unique in its capacity for doing very shitty things. It is not. Horribleness is a human thing found everywhere humans are and is not caused by capitalism or Western societies.
The scary part, is now that Epstein is gone, it’s all just happening somewhere else.
I imagine he was one of many as well, and most of them probably aren’t dumb enough to fill their inbox with evidence.
Now we know why there are so many missing kids every year… Messed up
its not in thier best interest to eliminate ghislaine now, that would just make things worst, whichis why they are keeping her alive.
Maxwell 100 percent has dirt that would be released on her death, and they can’t get to whomever may be holding it. Epstein thought he had that too I’m sure, but Israeli intelligence betrayed him.
There should not exist a class of people with such unaccountable power that they can do these things and get away with it.
This isn’t just about Epstein, Trump and all the other child rapists on those files (although they should definitely go to prison); it’s about the system that makes this possible, and puts the worst possible people in a position to do this and get away with it.
Anything less than death is far too little for these sick fucks.
Swift and quickly, this needs to end and be left in the past.
Epstein could very well still be alive
That’s what I’m saying. We tried that whole jail shit and things got fucky. We had/have enough evidence to get his contacts. Jeffrey Epstein Did Not Kill Himself.
Pole hangings
too easy of an out
I’m fine with an easy out.
I don’t need them to think about their actions. I don’t need them to stew and marinate in their guilt. I certainly don’t need them to have avenues to still exert influence.
They need to die, anything else is a distraction.
This is my position. Just kill them and move on, we need to make humanity better. There are people who need rescue and care.
Mind, we should keep monsters like Maxwell alive for awhile…so that we can get information about where the innocent have been trafficked. One entire year for all the actionable information that Maxwell and company are willing to trade. No bargaining, nor exceptions, just a delayed execution after the plea deal is struck. Without the deal, immediate execution after a brief trial.
…I am hoping that there are enough little black books, that delayed justice isn’t needed to save the innocent.
Torturing the torturers won’t fix anything.
We should torture a few. As an example. But otherwise yes, quick executions.
How come? Lots of christians are afraid of hell
And, notably, it doesn’t seem to lower crime rates.
not talking about torture.
lock them up. let them only breathe bar-filtered air for the rest of their life
- Their buddies own the prisons
- Every day spent in prison cost money tax payer dollars fund
- Them breathing is a waste of oxygen
Only if you reject a large body of research on that matter conducted by hummanity over centuries. Ie. impaling seems a reasonable compromise between unpoetic justice and a nod the conservative traditional aproach.
Crist… whoever is responsible for this, or did this to another human being needs to be fucking shot. Not in the head, no no… but in the knee caps, shins… everywhere to make it just-as, if not more painful than the pain their victims felt.
Why is this man’s faces redacted.
?
Wtf. Show us his face.
It’s probably trump.
Isn’t his name in the illegally-redacted files almost as much as Epstein’s?
God Damned, that is pure fucking evil. Like, I can’t even… Just literal evil.
It’s crazy that we are living in a surveillance state and it isn’t even good for bringing the worst people to justice, they know it’s happening and let it happen while the monsters chat about it on fucking gmail while the rest of us think about being watched and worry about getting in trouble for every minor little thing.
Of course, that’s exactly the point of a surveillance state. It’s purpose is total control of the general population and complete freedom from consequences for the wealthy elite. Any rhetoric about it keeping us safe is pure propaganda. People knew this a long time ago, that’s why we have the 4th amendment and other privacy laws.
I am close to feeling like we need pitchforks, torches and shovels if this justice system won’t actually do anything…
We passed that point a while ago
Entirely unrelated, does anyone know how much a cheap woodchipper goes for? It’s for landscaping
Funny enough, a big tree fell on my property a little while back and I wanted to mulch it all for the garden, so I did some research. I was mostly looking at rentals, which were about $500/day for the ones that could handle thick branches.
I wanna say buying was like 10× that for the cheaper ones, but that was for the smaller models more suitable for middle sized branches, but then I would’ve had to use a chainsaw to break up the thicker chunks.
I wound up cutting it into logs and they’re still sitting there, I should probably look into it again and actually get around to it.
130 quid will get you something that can chomp something 45mm in diameter. For something that is more size-agnostic, you’re talking closer to a grand
