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EU chat control comes – through the back door of voluntariness

The EU states have agreed on a common position on chat control. Data protection advocates warn against massive surveillance. What is in store for us?

After lengthy negotiations, the EU states have agreed on a common position on so-called chat control. Like from one Minutes of negotiations of the Council working group As can be seen, Internet services will in future be allowed to voluntarily search their users’ communications for information about crimes, but will not be obliged to do so.

The Danish Council Presidency wants to get the draft law through the Council “as quickly as possible”, “so that the trilogue negotiations can begin promptly”, the minutes say. Feedback from states should be limited to “absolute red lines”.

Consensus achieved

The majority of States supported the compromise proposal. At least 15 spoke in favor, including Germany and France. Germany “welcomed both the deletion of the mandatory measures and the permanent anchoring of voluntary measures”, said the protocol.

However, other countries were disappointed. Spain in particular “continued to see mandatory measures as necessary, unfortunately a comprehensive agreement on this was not possible”. Hungary also “seen voluntariness as the sole concept as too little”.

Spain, Hungary and Bulgaria proposed “an obligation for providers to detect, at least in open areas”. The Danish Presidency "described the proposal as ambitious, but did not take it up to avoid further discussion.

The organization Netzpolitik.org, which has been reporting critically on chat control for years, sees the plans as a fundamental threat to democracy. “From the beginning, a lobby network intertwined with the security apparatus pushed chat control”, writes the organization. “It was never really about the children, otherwise it would get to the root of abuse and violence instead of monitoring people without any initial suspicion.”

Netzpolitik.org argues that “encrypted communication is a thorn in the side of the security apparatus”. Authorities have been trying to combat private and encrypted communication in various ways for years.

A number of scholars criticize the compromise proposal, calling voluntary chat control inappropriate. “Their benefits have not been proven, while the potential for harm and abuse is enormous”, one said open letter.

According to critics, the planned technology, so-called client-side scanning, would create a backdoor on all users’ devices. Netzpolitik.org warns that this represents a “frontal attack on end-to-end encryption, which is vital in the digital world”.

The problem with such backdoors is that “not only the supposedly ‘good guys’ can use them, but also resourceful criminals or unwell-disposed other states”, argues the organization.

Signal considers withdrawing from the EU

Journalists’ associations are also alarmed by the plans. The DJV rejects chat control as a form of mass surveillance without cause and sees source protection threatened, for which encrypted communication is essential. The infrastructure created in this way can be used for political control “in just a few simple steps”, said the DJV in a statement Opinion.

The Messenger service Signal Already announced that it would withdraw from the EU if necessary. Signal President Meredith Whittaker told the dpa: “Unfortunately, if we were given the choice of either undermining the integrity of our encryption or leaving Europe, we would make the decision to leave the market.”

Next steps in the legislative process

The Permanent Representatives of the EU states are due to meet next week on the subject, followed in December by the Ministers of Justice and Home Affairs, these two bodies are due to approve the bill as the Council’s official position.

The trilogue then begins, in which the Commission, Parliament and Council must reach a compromise from their three draft laws. Parliament had described the original plans as mass surveillance and called for only unencrypted suspect content to be scanned.

The EU Commission had originally proposed requiring Internet services to search their users’ content for information about crimes without cause and to send it to authorities if suspected.

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    14 hours ago

    This is going to last exactly as long as it takes for someone to hack into some prominent EU politician’s phone and messages and publishes them for the all the world to see.

    I would pray for the hackers swiftness in breaking into this compromised system but I fear that a lot pf innocent people will be victimized long before someone important feels the burn of having their life destroyed.

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    Voluntary my ass. You’re just going to tighten the thumbscrews in less obvious ways to get what you want out of them.

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    And the cycle of a centrist doing the far-right’s biddings, they lose polularity and in turn election to the far-right that claims to be against it, then the far-right to expand it begins.

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        It’s been very interesting since I’ve moved to Germany.

        I’m white, and not once during train checks have I ever been spoken too or asked for my info.

        However, every single person that’s slightly tanned is asked for their identification. Also the German officers often speak English to these people they suspect of being here illegally. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen the person they’re questioning respond in Germany and pull out a German passport or one from an EU nation. But if I had to guess I’d say 9/10 times that’s the case. In the remaining 1/10 times the questioned almost always pull out a visa or a valid passport.

        It’s a huge waste of time and I’ve only seen 1 person ever taken off the train.

        Frankly border checks like this are pointless. They select very few people to ask for their documents. Frankly if I was in a position to be entering the country illegally from one of the bordering nations I’d just walk across and take a bus to the next town over before taking a train. It’s not like there are border guards at most crossings, they only ever check the trains, and don’t check outside of border crossing. All of this to say it’s security theater that isn’t accomplishing much, is a waste of resources, and is usually racist in application.

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          @arrow74
          ICE was useless, most of the times. Until it got abused. It was designed for abuse. What Bundespolizei now does, is just the same ICE did. And it’s designed for abuse.
          @einkorn

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            Having come from the US this is infinitely better than ICE. The officers are at least polite about it and once they recieve paperwork quietly move on. While the racial bias is clear the checks are non-invasive and quick for those selected.

            Nobody is being dragged into unmarked vans that I’ve seen. Nobody is being randomly detained and searched on the train. Trust me it can get a whole lot worse.

            Even before the Trump administration ICE was way more aggressive and abusive when they began questioning someone. German border control seems to either be better trained or have more limits on their power.

            By acknowledging what they are doing wrong now and how frankly ineffective it is hopefully you can avoid becoming like ICE. But if things continue on the current path it wouldn’t be good

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              In continental Europe you must have governemnt ID and in some countries you have to have it at all times with you and show it to authorities if requested. If I understand USA correctly there is no such system in place over there and thus enforcment is kinda difficult.

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                Yes the 4th amendment makes it to where police cannot simply check your ID, and as you said it’s not required to carry either.

                enforcment is kinda difficult

                Our police should be trained to respect our citizens and their rights. Too bad that makes it difficult for them. Instead they are trained to be belligerent to get what they want.

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                  I agree that police should be nice. Just wanted to point out that its vastly different system.

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                In continental Europe you must have governemnt ID and in some countries you have to have it at all times with you and show it to authorities if requested.

                I can’t speak for the other continental nations but that is not correct for Germany. You just have to have an ID. You don’t have to have it with you at all times.

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    I think we are at a point where the only way foward is to see some heads rolling.

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    You see, you thought Germany would value privacy but you forgot that Christian Democrats and (Anti) Sozial Democrats simply hate human beings.

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    We shouldn’t discuss this bullshit at all. It’s simply wrong from the beginning.

    So if I get it right, it seems Signal or Threema are safe, if they decide not to scan? But yeah, WhatsApp or FB Messenger probably want to scan absolutely everything, if they’re allowed to.

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        Something changes: we won’t be having this kind of engagement with the topic every time this exception needs to be renewed. Which means they have resources to allocate towards other goals, like finally making the scanning mandatory.

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          I don’t follow your argument. They repeatedly tried to use the expiration to generate pressure to come to a fast agreement. The pressure is gone now and so is a big reason why this topic was discussed so often in the first place. It will be harder for the advocates now to explain to the rest of the member states why it should be put back on the agenda. Countries like Germany are still against mandatory scanning and have no reason to engage in a discussion about it now.

          The only thing that is lost now is the chance for all of this to expire, but that was always very unlikely.

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            It will be harder for the advocates now to explain to the rest of the member states why it should be put back on the agenda.

            All it takes is some form of crime that remotely looks like it could have been prevented by client side scanning. Be it child porn, be it terrorism, be it some big drug case. Now that scanning isn’t an exception anymore but generally allowed, the step to “just” forcing everyone to do what the big companies are doing anyways, won’t be as big.

            In short: Assuming that they won’t have reasons and pressure to put this topic back on the table seems unlikely to me, considering the amount of resources they have continually put into this already. Especially since Germany seems to shift more and more towards more autoritarian tendencies itself, a few repetitions might be enough to finally topple their resistance

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              Resistance to mandatory chat control seems to be the one thing that every current german party agrees on. Even the literal Nazis of the AfD voted against it. The point of discussion in Germany was always if there should be a voluntary chat control, not if there should be a mandatory chat control.

              A shift away from that position across party lines would be very hard to orchestrate and I can’t see that happening anytime soon.

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                The AfD is, for all their faults, relatively libertarian when it comes to privacy rights. That might be because they have a lot to hide, but that’s besides the point. It is definitely not because that’s “too right wing” for them.

                We have had a push for “Vorratsdatenspeicherung” basically every legislature period which is kind of in the same category of “wtf stop doing that”. Ironically it was the FDP that saved us when the SPD in the last coalition tried to implement that. Not sure the CDU is going to stop Dobrint when he has his go at it.

                I don’t see it as a grand departure from current party lines, except for the AfD while the Greens are very ambivalent between their fundi and realo party wings.

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                  Well yes, but I don’t see data retention of IP adresses and real-time scanning of the content of private chats as necessarily the same topic. Obviously they are both bad, but they are different things, which is also reflected by the parties having very different views on both.

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      iirc Signal would stop service in the EU, can’t even blame them, if their M.O. is illegal they can’t really do anything else

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    It doesn’t seem to be voluntary at all, from what I can tell from the draft:

    “Upon that notification, the provider shall, in cooperation with the EU Centre pursuant to Article 50(1a), take the necessary measures to effectively contribute to the development of the relevant technologies to mitigate the risk of child sexual abuse identified on their services. […]”

    “In order to prevent and combat online child sexual abuse effectively, providers of hosting services and providers of publicly available interpersonal communications services should take all reasonable measures to mitigate the risk of their services being misused for such abuse […]”

    These quote sound mandatory, not voluntary. And let’s look what these technologies referenced are:

    “In order to facilitate the providers’ voluntary activities under Regulation (EU) 2021/1232 compliance with the detection obligations, the EU Centre should make available to providers detection technologies […]”

    “The EU Centre should provide reliable information on which activities can reasonably be considered to constitute online child sexual abuse, so as to enable the detection […] Therefore, the EU Centre should generate accurate and reliable indicators,[…] These indicators should allow technologies to detect the dissemination of either the same material (known material) or of different new child sexual abuse material (new material), […]”

    Oops, it sounds again like mandatory scanning.

    Source: https://cdn.netzpolitik.org/wp-upload/2025/11/2025-11-06_Council_Presidency_LEWP_CSA-R_Presidency-compromise-texts_14092.pdf

    The new draft seems to pretend better to look less mandatory, but it still looks mandatory to me. Feel free to correct me if somebody can figure out that I’m wrong.

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    It’s been pretty obvious for a while now that this is happening, no matter how many people are against it.

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      It’s not a lost cause though, resistance is at least slowing down it’s implementation and possibly weakening it’s legal base. But i get you’re sentiment, it does not look like they will stop comming for copies of our digital conversations.

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    What can I, as a EU citizen, do to stop this? I already sent (handwritten) emails to my French representatives several times, but only got one response from a minority part^ that agrees.

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      One thing we should all be campaigning for, regardless of not wanting it to go through, is that,

      If it is to go through, then NOBODY should be exempt from having their devices scanned.

      We will see how many politicians are willing to push it through then. I’m willing to bet that many of them will do a U-turn when they think that their own devices and emails etc… Will be scanned.

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        I’m into it. Would love to see some good ol’ activism again. Politicians probably hate it much more than writing Emails (sending Emails are still a good tool though).

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        Right, I should have mentioned despite being French I live in Germany. Still, can’t hurt to join any demonstrations against this.

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      Politicians only hear you when you hurt them, may it be their bodies or their pockets

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        Money: yes Bodies: no thank you

        How could I most effectively monetarily hurt politicians, who are specifically voting for chat control? I am already boycotting the US, but that’s a much bigger/easier target than specific parts of the French government.

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          Then mostly you should support strikes and unions, specially those that are politically oriented

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        Typo, meant to write “party” The French party against it that replied to me is le groupe des Verts/ALE. They will have my vote on the next election.