Epstein survivors have confirmed with democrats in congress that they participated in a massive Biden-era investigation into Epstein's co-conspirators, but Trump and Pam Bondi closed it.
Don’t care. They’re not prosecuting all the people they’re deporting now either.
And what would that have looked like to Republicans in Congress, and especially the 30%+ of the population that are a part of Trump’s cult? We’d be in the middle of a civil war right now, with Democrats playing the role of autocratic dictators, instead of Trump.
So now we’re dealing with Trump as an autocratic dicatator and he’s not going to give it up without force. If it was going to happen either way better to kick things off while the Dems have the reigns than after everything’s been handed over to him.
Except you can’t unfire that bullet. And once that line has been crossed, there would be no functional rule of law left in the country.
Not being able to unfire the bullet is the point. Afterwards the rest of the Dems could have turned on him and plugged the holes that allowed the autocracy, presumably with the support of the remaining republicans who agree that this was not a good thing to have happen. Again we’re dealing with it now either way and the Dems are too soft to stop anything that’s happening. Whining about it in court and on twitter doesn’t fucking unfuck all the lives being ruined by Trumps administration.
Don’t care. They’re not prosecuting all the people they’re deporting now either.
So, you agree that they shouldn’t have to, then? I mean, you seem fine with the idea that due process can be suspended anytime you want…right?
If the only difference between having those rights, and having them taken away, is so arbitrary…then anyone in office can and will take yours from you, anytime they want. The point is to NOT have that as an option…not to normalize its use.
So now we’re dealing with Trump as an autocratic dictator and he’s not going to give it up without force. If it was going to happen either way better to kick things off while the Dems have the reigns than after everything’s been handed over to him.
Again, why would you want to have autocratic dictators, at all? The point is not to have them…not to normalize them.
The problem with your logic, is that you think throwing away due process, is somehow going to fix this. It isn’t. That’s Trump’s solution for what he sees as “the problem with the country”. His logic is that they shouldn’t have to respect people’s rights. He should be able to simply declare you illegal, and throw you in jail or deport you, instantly. He is wrong. That should never be allowed.
If anything, we need to reinforce that process and make sure it can’t be abused like this again. The last thing we should be doing, though…is following in Trump’s footsteps. All that does is legitimize what he’s been doing.
I’m not saying use it anytime. I’m saying Biden should have used it to eliminate Trump and his followers as an existential threat to our nation that were going to use those same loopholes to seize power as soon as he was back in office. There was no option besides an autocrat. He had to do it or Trump would (and did). If Biden had done it then afterwards he could have worked with congress to fix those holes and put safeguards in place so that the threat cannot reoccur in the future. Or if everyone was too pissed thrown himself on his sword and have the next guy work with congress to fix things. There was no way forward for him to beat Trump legally. He barely got him prosecuted for election fraud and it didn’t even make it to sentencing.
The problem with your logic, is that you think throwing away due process, is somehow going to fix this. It isn’t. That’s Trump’s solution for what he sees as “the problem with the country”. His logic is that they shouldn’t have to respect people’s rights. He should be able to simply declare you illegal, and throw you in jail or deport you, instantly. He is wrong. That should never be allowed.
Not sure how that is a problem with my logic when Trump is literally doing all these things because he was not stopped. My point is already proven by reality. Were your and Biden’s principles worth all the lives that are going to be destroyed by him?
I’m not saying use it anytime. I’m saying Biden should have used it to eliminate Trump and his followers as an existential threat to our nation
Ok, so there’s a lot wrong with this line of thinking.
First of all, it’s literally the same argument that Trump and his followers are using to justify him doing all the stuff you think Democrats should have done to stop him from doing all the stuff you think is bad. It’s the worst kind.of logical fallacy. You are advocating for the same thing you are saying is a problem.
And how exactly would you “eliminate Trump’s followers”? By suspending their Constitutional rights, as well? How many millions of people would you have to throw in jail for thought crimes, before that “existential threat to our nation” was “eliminated”? How would you silence them, when they correctly point out that you are the problem now? Would you suspend the Constitution in order to shut them up…or just kill them, and be done with it?
Not sure how that is a problem with my logic when Trump is literally doing all these things because he was not stopped.
Imagine we’re all heading for a cliff, and you know that Trump wants to drive the bus straight off that cliff. How does letting Democrats drive off that cliff first, stop the bus from going over?
Don’t care. They’re not prosecuting all the people they’re deporting now either.
So now we’re dealing with Trump as an autocratic dicatator and he’s not going to give it up without force. If it was going to happen either way better to kick things off while the Dems have the reigns than after everything’s been handed over to him.
Not being able to unfire the bullet is the point. Afterwards the rest of the Dems could have turned on him and plugged the holes that allowed the autocracy, presumably with the support of the remaining republicans who agree that this was not a good thing to have happen. Again we’re dealing with it now either way and the Dems are too soft to stop anything that’s happening. Whining about it in court and on twitter doesn’t fucking unfuck all the lives being ruined by Trumps administration.
So, you agree that they shouldn’t have to, then? I mean, you seem fine with the idea that due process can be suspended anytime you want…right?
If the only difference between having those rights, and having them taken away, is so arbitrary…then anyone in office can and will take yours from you, anytime they want. The point is to NOT have that as an option…not to normalize its use.
Again, why would you want to have autocratic dictators, at all? The point is not to have them…not to normalize them.
The problem with your logic, is that you think throwing away due process, is somehow going to fix this. It isn’t. That’s Trump’s solution for what he sees as “the problem with the country”. His logic is that they shouldn’t have to respect people’s rights. He should be able to simply declare you illegal, and throw you in jail or deport you, instantly. He is wrong. That should never be allowed.
If anything, we need to reinforce that process and make sure it can’t be abused like this again. The last thing we should be doing, though…is following in Trump’s footsteps. All that does is legitimize what he’s been doing.
I’m not saying use it anytime. I’m saying Biden should have used it to eliminate Trump and his followers as an existential threat to our nation that were going to use those same loopholes to seize power as soon as he was back in office. There was no option besides an autocrat. He had to do it or Trump would (and did). If Biden had done it then afterwards he could have worked with congress to fix those holes and put safeguards in place so that the threat cannot reoccur in the future. Or if everyone was too pissed thrown himself on his sword and have the next guy work with congress to fix things. There was no way forward for him to beat Trump legally. He barely got him prosecuted for election fraud and it didn’t even make it to sentencing.
Not sure how that is a problem with my logic when Trump is literally doing all these things because he was not stopped. My point is already proven by reality. Were your and Biden’s principles worth all the lives that are going to be destroyed by him?
Ok, so there’s a lot wrong with this line of thinking.
First of all, it’s literally the same argument that Trump and his followers are using to justify him doing all the stuff you think Democrats should have done to stop him from doing all the stuff you think is bad. It’s the worst kind.of logical fallacy. You are advocating for the same thing you are saying is a problem.
And how exactly would you “eliminate Trump’s followers”? By suspending their Constitutional rights, as well? How many millions of people would you have to throw in jail for thought crimes, before that “existential threat to our nation” was “eliminated”? How would you silence them, when they correctly point out that you are the problem now? Would you suspend the Constitution in order to shut them up…or just kill them, and be done with it?
Imagine we’re all heading for a cliff, and you know that Trump wants to drive the bus straight off that cliff. How does letting Democrats drive off that cliff first, stop the bus from going over?