Id love if the criticism would focus on the rape, forced actions and the heinous power situation of being a child or young teen stuck on an island rather than focusing on calling it “pedophiles” since that both draws focus away from justice for victims toward the perpetrators as well as putting focus on a “title” rather than an act.
Raping people are bad. Being a pedophile/hebephile is a horrible mental issue that needs to be handled before any act can happen, and so we should remove the stigma so the sufferers that hasnt commited acts can get help. These two things are not the same.
I’'m not sure why exactly you chose me to direct this to, but it seems dangerously close to you being upset and defensive that I used the term pedophile negatively.
If something I said offended you, seek help immediately before you harm someone.
I was agreeing with you and your use of the word rape resonated with an irritation I have of people discussing pedophilia (a potentially dangerous paraphilia which isnt illegal by itself) rather than the sexual crimes the victims where put through by the rapists or that the perpetrators are rapists
English is not my first language so might express myself with clumsy wordings
Edit: I believe a person can be a pedophile and a victim due to it, because the persons brain wiring is fucked up. That person deserves compassion, dignity, help and treatment, just as we help other people suffering. The moment a person hurts another sexually, especially a child, (with or without intent) that changes everything, and should be forcefully treated as an immediate and urgent threat to society and the persons around the individual.
My advice would be to stop trying to talk your way around pedophilia being problematic, because it is and it does cause harm regardless of your personal feelings on it. Or continue and get your account nuked. That honestly would be best for everyone.
Again, if you need help, seek it out before there are more victims.
Edit: Posting a screenshot of their original comment in case they try to edit what they said and make me look like the one with a problem here
It irritates me when people keep calling a rapist a pedophile, since one tells you that the person did a crime and the other did not. I refuse to call a murderer “person with violent tendencies” since its the murder thats the issue, not why the person commited it
If someone rapes a child they are a fucking pedophile, and if someone fantasizes about sex with children they are fantasizing about fucking rape.
These semantic games you want to keep playing make it abundantly clear to me that you have a serious problem and are desperately trying to justify to yourself that you don’t. Nothing you can say to me will change that.
You need to go get professional treatment before your thoughts turn into actions, because you are sick.
Lots of people have non-con fetishes. Doesn’t make them rapists. Hell, who hasn’t thought about murdering someone, or robbing a bank?
Good fucking thing we don’t punish thought crimes.
Pedophelia is a paraphelia that requires treatment to manage/mitigate/overcome. Many people with pedophelia were young rape victims, themselves.
If we can all agree:
People don’t choose to have pedophelia, and,
We would like to have less people with pedophelia,
Then we can also agree there should be easy to access treatments for pedophelia.
People trying to destigmatize the paraphelia and promote access to treatment are doing a lot more to make the world better than the ones calling every pedophile a rapist, even if they never act on it.
Im not sick, I have a neuropsychiatric issue that puts me on the autism spectrum and I am already in treatment for that. I understand that my autism can make me a bit rigid when it comes to classification and use of psychiatric terms but I am a bit confused why that would harm if its put into action. I am putting my thoughts into action right now typing this response.
I am not trying to play semantic games, words have meaning and weights, so calling a duck a duck, ie a rapist a rapist is important to me rather than minimizing that persons crimes by using a psychiatric term that can explain the impulse but not reasoning behind acting the crime. It confuses me that I agreed with you from the beginning and then I started reading more and more hostility the more you responded nd I tried to expand and explain my reasoning. Even calling to nuking my account because I believe the act of raping children is worse than ideation of raping children doesnt make sense to me.
Of course I have to keep explaining since you refer to my condition as an illness, which is also not at all how the words illness is supposed to be used.
Im heading to bed, this conversation doesnt work out and I dont know if its because I cant explain to you that action comes after thought, if we are talking about different things, if its my english as second language blocks mutual understanding or whatever.
Id love if the criticism would focus on the rape, forced actions and the heinous power situation of being a child or young teen stuck on an island rather than focusing on calling it “pedophiles” since that both draws focus away from justice for victims toward the perpetrators as well as putting focus on a “title” rather than an act.
Raping people are bad. Being a pedophile/hebephile is a horrible mental issue that needs to be handled before any act can happen, and so we should remove the stigma so the sufferers that hasnt commited acts can get help. These two things are not the same.
I’'m not sure why exactly you chose me to direct this to, but it seems dangerously close to you being upset and defensive that I used the term pedophile negatively.
If something I said offended you, seek help immediately before you harm someone.
I was agreeing with you and your use of the word rape resonated with an irritation I have of people discussing pedophilia (a potentially dangerous paraphilia which isnt illegal by itself) rather than the sexual crimes the victims where put through by the rapists or that the perpetrators are rapists
English is not my first language so might express myself with clumsy wordings
Edit: I believe a person can be a pedophile and a victim due to it, because the persons brain wiring is fucked up. That person deserves compassion, dignity, help and treatment, just as we help other people suffering. The moment a person hurts another sexually, especially a child, (with or without intent) that changes everything, and should be forcefully treated as an immediate and urgent threat to society and the persons around the individual.
My advice would be to stop trying to talk your way around pedophilia being problematic, because it is and it does cause harm regardless of your personal feelings on it. Or continue and get your account nuked. That honestly would be best for everyone.
Again, if you need help, seek it out before there are more victims.
Edit: Posting a screenshot of their original comment in case they try to edit what they said and make me look like the one with a problem here
Of course pedophilia is problematic and dangerous
Something like 1 in 6 people are attracted to children but don’t act on it
It just “irritates” you when people talk about it because it’s “not illegal”
Fuck. Off.
It irritates me when people keep calling a rapist a pedophile, since one tells you that the person did a crime and the other did not. I refuse to call a murderer “person with violent tendencies” since its the murder thats the issue, not why the person commited it
If someone rapes a child they are a fucking pedophile, and if someone fantasizes about sex with children they are fantasizing about fucking rape.
These semantic games you want to keep playing make it abundantly clear to me that you have a serious problem and are desperately trying to justify to yourself that you don’t. Nothing you can say to me will change that.
You need to go get professional treatment before your thoughts turn into actions, because you are sick.
Lots of people have non-con fetishes. Doesn’t make them rapists. Hell, who hasn’t thought about murdering someone, or robbing a bank?
Good fucking thing we don’t punish thought crimes.
Pedophelia is a paraphelia that requires treatment to manage/mitigate/overcome. Many people with pedophelia were young rape victims, themselves.
If we can all agree:
People don’t choose to have pedophelia, and,
We would like to have less people with pedophelia,
Then we can also agree there should be easy to access treatments for pedophelia.
People trying to destigmatize the paraphelia and promote access to treatment are doing a lot more to make the world better than the ones calling every pedophile a rapist, even if they never act on it.
Im not sick, I have a neuropsychiatric issue that puts me on the autism spectrum and I am already in treatment for that. I understand that my autism can make me a bit rigid when it comes to classification and use of psychiatric terms but I am a bit confused why that would harm if its put into action. I am putting my thoughts into action right now typing this response.
I am not trying to play semantic games, words have meaning and weights, so calling a duck a duck, ie a rapist a rapist is important to me rather than minimizing that persons crimes by using a psychiatric term that can explain the impulse but not reasoning behind acting the crime. It confuses me that I agreed with you from the beginning and then I started reading more and more hostility the more you responded nd I tried to expand and explain my reasoning. Even calling to nuking my account because I believe the act of raping children is worse than ideation of raping children doesnt make sense to me.
Of course I have to keep explaining since you refer to my condition as an illness, which is also not at all how the words illness is supposed to be used.
Im heading to bed, this conversation doesnt work out and I dont know if its because I cant explain to you that action comes after thought, if we are talking about different things, if its my english as second language blocks mutual understanding or whatever.