Information from a major hack targeting Israel revealed that Jeffrey Epstein played a significant role in brokering multiple deals for Israeli intelligence.

  • ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    She had already submitted all the evidence she had

    That is a stretch, and probably a longer stretch than you might think.

    Most, if not all, of her “evidence” was secondary to legal actions both by her and against her, and in that context would necessarily have been limited to the subjects of the lawsuits.

    I do not for two seconds think she ever publicly, or in court-related documents or records, named ALL the names. Not every bigwig she saw on Epstein Island or in Epstein’s parties directly interacted with her, much less specifically participated in her own abuse, but that doesn’t mean she didn’t see them there as well.

    Also, for someone who was in Epstein’s inner circle, day in and day out, she very obviously saw people who have now denied ever being there, or even denied being a friend of his since then, but which emails written by Epstein now demonstrate were there and friendly all along. Consider also that Epstein and Maxwell both were very big on threats throughout, to the point that at least one of the victims (Maria Farmer) informally changed her name and moved house frequently for the next twenty years after having gone through all that, and still got threatening calls to remind her they knew how to find her.

    Thus it’s not impossible that, in an abundance of concern for her own and her family’s personal safety, Virginia Giuffre minimized or even denied the presence and participation of certain individuals who really were there, a silence she could revoke at any time. Unless she were dead, of course, and now she is: the silence is permanent.

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      The Biden admin actually launched a full investigation along with victim interviews. Trump killed it.

      Also, lying about people who were there makes you a shitty witness for the prosecution. So even less reason to kill someone.

      And you’ve not even touched on the domestic abuse from the last few years.

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        And you’ve not even touched on the domestic abuse from the last few years.

        Why would I? My comment is limited to the unlikelihood that Virginia Giuffre “submitted all the evidence she had,” and nothing else you’ve said changes that. I do not believe she told all she knows.

        Nor do I believe that we, the public, have any right to expect anything from victims of trafficking, even the “full truth” at their own expense and with no personal guarantees of safety from those who use them, because if we were doing our collective job as a society, it would never be needed.

        If Ms. Giuffre withheld names and/or information for her own safety, good on her. It’s not like anyone else was looking out for her.

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          Ms Giuffre gave Sworn Deposition. Changing her story later to add names that she “held back” is called purjury, and renders all of her testimony null and void.

          She would have been told this multiple times. No lawyer will let a witness into a courtroom without first getting their testimony as a sworn statement before hand. it’s part of the process of a court case.

          So legally, we must treat her testimony as full and complete to her knowledge. Hell, Trump and company would have loved for her to purjur herself. That would have made their day.

          Purjury from a key witness can completely sink a case.

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            Beyond ignoring the fact that legal testimony is tightly limited in scope by both sides, you have your sworn evidence and non-sworn evidence entirely confused.

            But she did give interviews, talk to friends, and even write a book. This is not sworn testimony. But it is still evidence.

            There are zero indications Virginia Giuffre ever lied under oath, or committed perjury. Rather, those who spoke with her tended to find her genuine, and her attorneys were willing to go to bat for her all the way, which they would not have done had she been unbelievable.

            Counting both sworn and non-sworn statements made over the course of the last thirty years or so, can YOU prove she did, or did not, reveal all she knew?

            No. You cannot. And jumping from that to “She committed PERJURY!” is frankly just insulting to what she stood for. It’s becoming apparent that you are not writing in good faith, twisting a definition of perjury to cover all statements made everywhere at any time, so peace out.

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              we must treat her testimony as full and complete to her knowledge. Hell, Trump and company would have loved for her to purjur herself. That would have made their day