This was quite literally one of the inspirations for Nazi ideology of settler-colonialism in Eastern Europe.
Population-based studies produce estimates of the number of Iraq War casualties ranging from 151,000 violent deaths as of June 2006 (per the Iraq Family Health Survey) to 1,033,000 excess deaths (per the 2007 Opinion Research Business (ORB) survey). Other survey-based studies covering different time-spans find 461,000 total deaths (over 60% of them violent) as of June 2011 (per PLOS Medicine 2013), and 655,000 total deaths (over 90% of them violent) as of June 2006 (per the 2006 Lancet study). Body counts counted at least 110,600 violent deaths as of April 2009 (Associated Press). The Iraq Body Count project documents 186,901–210,296 violent civilian deaths in their table.
You’re going to learn quickly in the coming years that these facts aren’t going to prevent you from getting punched in the face and thrown into a cage. I don’t think this guy is a Nazi or listed the Indian war as some kind of back handed reference to that. But I do think there’s no amount of loss you can suffer that would ever make you realize how badly people like you have fucked everything up the past 10 years.
Sure. Keep telling yourself whatever you need to justify all these losses every day. The left is cooked. There’s no coming back from this. It’s not the fault of the billionaires or the Trump’s or Nazis. It’s the fault of the left for giving it all up and being so unappealing that those assholes could grow and capture the people the left alienated
Handwaving fascist tattoos is ceding too much in my opinion. This should be a moment where liberals have some self awareness and grapple with the use of state power to service the whims of capital, but history doesn’t provide a hopeful forecast in that regard.
I’m glad I’m not in Maine. Before Fetterman this would be easier to rationalize away.
I hope Platner can reassure folks and then serve honorably, because let’s be real: despite a lack of known tattoos, I don’t think Susan Collins or Janet Mills are actually less extreme. As you’ve pointed out, support for lawless colonial attrocities is the mainstream, bipartisan consensus.
This debate we’re having, imo, is really over whether the person he is today is a morally coherent champion of humanistic values or if there is no such candidate in this race. Which is kind of a bummer.
A soldier, trained for warfare, and enjoying it is quite disturbing for people who never encounter it. I’m disturbed by it. That said, I’m not seeing anything about enjoying bloodshed there. He says he likes small wars because he feels there’s less inhumane brutality.
Is your problem that a soldier enjoys what they do? That makes them a Nazi?
I feel like your comment about killing civilians in the global south is making a big assumption that isn’t even really hinted at. In fact the opposite, as he talks about working with the local community.
Edit: You didn’t answer my question. You brought up what’s already been established.
Skull tattoo. I’m sorry, most Americans are not so familiar with Nazi symbols to identify that specific skull design as Nazi. Swastika, SS, Iron Cross, sure. A skull and crossbones? Wouldn’t clock it. I thought it was a generic “bad guy” symbol in the comedy sketch you have a screenshot from. And he’s had it covered up.
If he knew, why would he allow someone to take a picture of it?
So… your second point is just that you don’t agree with America’s involvement with those wars at all. Which is less to do with this guy than with America’s choices of war. Valid, I agree, but not a signpost that he’s a Nazi. Unless all Americans involved in those were secretly Nazis.
Look. I don’t think anyone’s calling him trustworthy or a good person, but this insistence that he must be a Nazi due to a tattoo that he’s gotten covered up, when he’s been so open about all of it is silly.
He didn’t try to get the photo taken down. He didn’t deny it. He didn’t get belligerant and say he wasn’t going to cover it up just to keep people mad. He’s not pretending he didn’t have it.
I’m keeping him on my radar, but when US politics is filled with so damn many overt and explicit racists and Nazis that are so damn comfortable being mask off, I’m not ready to stomp down on this guy yet.
Go join .world, DNC plant. The 77yo the losers in DNC leadership want to run is the singularly least popular governor in the ENTIRE COUNTRY. They will lose, but at least your overlords will never have to see anyone to the left of Ronald Reagan win a DNC primary north of Connecticut,while Susan Collins keeps her seat.
If you think the 77yo governor of Maine with 100% name ID and lower approval than Susan Collins can win, or are just buying the DSCC propaganda, I think you’re the one confused.
Still don’t get Nazi vibes from him.
Just a lot of killing civilians in the globe south for this guy.
Where did he say killing civilians
They literally put Filipinos into concentration camps when the us invaded the Philippines.
This was quite literally one of the inspirations for Nazi ideology of settler-colonialism in Eastern Europe.
You’re going to learn quickly in the coming years that these facts aren’t going to prevent you from getting punched in the face and thrown into a cage. I don’t think this guy is a Nazi or listed the Indian war as some kind of back handed reference to that. But I do think there’s no amount of loss you can suffer that would ever make you realize how badly people like you have fucked everything up the past 10 years.
Just amazing response.
ya, don’t mention the Dems support for drone killings and genocide, that has no relation to anything that is currently happening
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_boomerang
It doesn’t. We need results. Not morally hand wringing. We can do that after we get back the culture
Respectfully: your point is unclear, but it feels like you’ve lost the plot.
Maybe reread the thread and see if you’re saying what you mean to be saying?
For all actual leftists, please read materialism & empirio-criticism, Lenin talks about the “action above all else” people like that person above me.
Driving against a wall is also a movement forward, just not one into a productive direction.
You stand for absolutely nothing, you deserve Trump and worse
Sure. Keep telling yourself whatever you need to justify all these losses every day. The left is cooked. There’s no coming back from this. It’s not the fault of the billionaires or the Trump’s or Nazis. It’s the fault of the left for giving it all up and being so unappealing that those assholes could grow and capture the people the left alienated
Handwaving fascist tattoos is ceding too much in my opinion. This should be a moment where liberals have some self awareness and grapple with the use of state power to service the whims of capital, but history doesn’t provide a hopeful forecast in that regard.
I’m glad I’m not in Maine. Before Fetterman this would be easier to rationalize away.
I hope Platner can reassure folks and then serve honorably, because let’s be real: despite a lack of known tattoos, I don’t think Susan Collins or Janet Mills are actually less extreme. As you’ve pointed out, support for lawless colonial attrocities is the mainstream, bipartisan consensus.
This debate we’re having, imo, is really over whether the person he is today is a morally coherent champion of humanistic values or if there is no such candidate in this race. Which is kind of a bummer.
A soldier, trained for warfare, and enjoying it is quite disturbing for people who never encounter it. I’m disturbed by it. That said, I’m not seeing anything about enjoying bloodshed there. He says he likes small wars because he feels there’s less inhumane brutality.
Is your problem that a soldier enjoys what they do? That makes them a Nazi?
I feel like your comment about killing civilians in the global south is making a big assumption that isn’t even really hinted at. In fact the opposite, as he talks about working with the local community.
Nazi tattoo
Enjoys imperialist wars against native populations with less capacity to fight back
hmmmm
Edit: You didn’t answer my question. You brought up what’s already been established.
Skull tattoo. I’m sorry, most Americans are not so familiar with Nazi symbols to identify that specific skull design as Nazi. Swastika, SS, Iron Cross, sure. A skull and crossbones? Wouldn’t clock it. I thought it was a generic “bad guy” symbol in the comedy sketch you have a screenshot from. And he’s had it covered up.
If he knew, why would he allow someone to take a picture of it?
So… your second point is just that you don’t agree with America’s involvement with those wars at all. Which is less to do with this guy than with America’s choices of war. Valid, I agree, but not a signpost that he’s a Nazi. Unless all Americans involved in those were secretly Nazis.
Look. I don’t think anyone’s calling him trustworthy or a good person, but this insistence that he must be a Nazi due to a tattoo that he’s gotten covered up, when he’s been so open about all of it is silly.
He didn’t try to get the photo taken down. He didn’t deny it. He didn’t get belligerant and say he wasn’t going to cover it up just to keep people mad. He’s not pretending he didn’t have it.
I’m keeping him on my radar, but when US politics is filled with so damn many overt and explicit racists and Nazis that are so damn comfortable being mask off, I’m not ready to stomp down on this guy yet.
Ya, let’s not make a big deal out of this tattoo, seems like that will really help with this situation.
Go join .world, DNC plant. The 77yo the losers in DNC leadership want to run is the singularly least popular governor in the ENTIRE COUNTRY. They will lose, but at least your overlords will never have to see anyone to the left of Ronald Reagan win a DNC primary north of Connecticut,while Susan Collins keeps her seat.
You seem extremely confused
If you think the 77yo governor of Maine with 100% name ID and lower approval than Susan Collins can win, or are just buying the DSCC propaganda, I think you’re the one confused.
LMAO LOL even
this is some “Blue MAGA or Nazi Veteran, no other choice can exist” right here
Graham Platner >> reg haram plant
Vote PSL, death to IDF, free Palestine, recognize Nazi tattoos, it’s socialism or barbarism y’all