NGL if ya’lls ability to make rational appeals inherently relies on Luigi Mangione worship then you’re going to have a very difficult time just in general.
Even just using the un-photo-shopped Bernie Sanders original could swing the bias almost 50% in your favor when approaching the general public with your ideals.
Everybody loves Bernie. Only 18% approve of what Luigi did.
finitebanjo has some pretty obvious ‘lying with statistics’ vibes. He said only 18% approved of Luigi’s actions when I can say only 41% view Luigi’s actions as negative. They were just cherry picking some stats.
You’re right. I stopped at the first graph because I didn’t do my due diligence. I just get tired of arguing statistics with people. I read through more of the graphs and that difference would make sense to me only if they asked more people over 45 than under 45. I would have to see more of the survey info. People can make graphs and random breakdowns by group to argue many different points.
Ah, you are right regarding the full dataset. Thank you.
It’s strange that they start off with, and seem to focus on, the under-45 respondents unless they were trying to push a positive-viewpoint message. For that age group, it was 31% positive and 41% negative. However, this group seems like a better fit for the Lemmy/Reddit audience. Furthermore, left-leaning voters appear to be more positive in this poll than their right-leaning counterparts.
With all that in mind, I still think this meme works well and wouldn’t have been improved with Bernie.
I just want people to understand that just because many people on Lemmy love Luigi doesn’t mean there’s some secret silent majority in real life that does too. Most people don’t want to see people shot down in the streets, regardless of who they are. It makes them feel like they or their family might be next.
I think they framed the story that way because to boomers the level of support among younger people is the most shocking thing about this poll. To those of us in that demographic it seems a strange way to do it because that’s just how it is for us, so it’s not that noteworthy.
I dunno, that poll reads very much in favor of Luigi. The fact that a poll needs to be run in the first place for an act like this. To me anything that’s not strongly against this is showing some sort of support.
Exactly. People reading this poll should remember that the baseline percentage of your average respondent on whether “murder in cold blood” is justified is “super duper strong disagree”
If anything it shows that less than half disapprove of Luigi’s actions. Only 41% have a negative view of his actions.
Aren’t statistics fun?
Edit: I just was pointed out that I just used the first graph of people under 45, for my info. There are more graphs that could be used to argue different points.
Yeah but few people seem to have this ability. I’m not sure it’s human nature. People tend to uncritically accept the opinions and statements of their peers as fact.
Maybe you are exceptional and this doesn’t apply but I tend to think it applies to everyone to some extent.
Yeah part of me wants to think I am immune but I think that’s my cognitive bias at work. But I do think I’m more skeptical than the average person, even if I’m not completely immune. People who think about and recognize these issues might have an extra layer of defense, if imperfect.
NGL if ya’lls ability to make rational appeals inherently relies on Luigi Mangione worship then you’re going to have a very difficult time just in general.
Even just using the un-photo-shopped Bernie Sanders original could swing the bias almost 50% in your favor when approaching the general public with your ideals.
Everybody loves Bernie. Only 18% approve of what Luigi did.
In your link below, 18% only includes “strong positive”. Why exclude “somewhat positive”?
Edit (correcting numbers as pointed out): 31% positive, 41% negative for the under-45 respondents. 19% positive, 61% negative overall.
Because they’re making their argument in bad faith, or they stopped after getting the part they wanted and didn’t bother looking any further.
Who is ‘they’? The ‘somewhat positive’ people are bad faith, or finitebanjo is bad faith?
This one. Sorry for the confusion.
finitebanjo has some pretty obvious ‘lying with statistics’ vibes. He said only 18% approved of Luigi’s actions when I can say only 41% view Luigi’s actions as negative. They were just cherry picking some stats.
Ah yes. The vibes. Always reliable. Except it’s actually 61% negative. Should I accuse you of lying now?
You are adding ‘not sure’ as a negative. I didn’t. That’s why statistics are so much fun.
No I’m not.
The difference is I don’t attribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance.
Read the survey again. We are talking about the full population, not only young people.
You’re right. I stopped at the first graph because I didn’t do my due diligence. I just get tired of arguing statistics with people. I read through more of the graphs and that difference would make sense to me only if they asked more people over 45 than under 45. I would have to see more of the survey info. People can make graphs and random breakdowns by group to argue many different points.
It’s actually 19%, including both levels of support. Reading is hard for people I guess.
And for the record, 61% held a negative view. So OP is completely correct here.
Ah, you are right regarding the full dataset. Thank you.
It’s strange that they start off with, and seem to focus on, the under-45 respondents unless they were trying to push a positive-viewpoint message. For that age group, it was 31% positive and 41% negative. However, this group seems like a better fit for the Lemmy/Reddit audience. Furthermore, left-leaning voters appear to be more positive in this poll than their right-leaning counterparts.
With all that in mind, I still think this meme works well and wouldn’t have been improved with Bernie.
I just want people to understand that just because many people on Lemmy love Luigi doesn’t mean there’s some secret silent majority in real life that does too. Most people don’t want to see people shot down in the streets, regardless of who they are. It makes them feel like they or their family might be next.
I think they framed the story that way because to boomers the level of support among younger people is the most shocking thing about this poll. To those of us in that demographic it seems a strange way to do it because that’s just how it is for us, so it’s not that noteworthy.
Last numbers I saw in that kinda world, where very much higher then 18% not sure where you are pulling that figure from?
The poll which came out on December 13th 2024
https://stratpolitics.org/2024/12/unitedhealthcare-poll/
I dunno, that poll reads very much in favor of Luigi. The fact that a poll needs to be run in the first place for an act like this. To me anything that’s not strongly against this is showing some sort of support.
61% of people actively oppose him, it definitely works as strong supporting argument against using his image to promote your ideals.
Exactly. People reading this poll should remember that the baseline percentage of your average respondent on whether “murder in cold blood” is justified is “super duper strong disagree”
Yeah, that link shows 31%, not 18% for the under-45 respondents. Nearly a third of those have a positive approval of Luigi.
Edit: corrected to under-45 group.
If anything it shows that less than half disapprove of Luigi’s actions. Only 41% have a negative view of his actions.
Aren’t statistics fun?
Edit: I just was pointed out that I just used the first graph of people under 45, for my info. There are more graphs that could be used to argue different points.
That’s some insane mental gymnastics you have there…
All luigi supporters are like that, it seems.
I guess most of his supporters are far left genocidal maniacs and alt Nazis, so no wonder.
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What are you even trying to express here? That’s just childish phrases glued together.
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After all these years, people still don’t understand echo chambers.
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Yeah but few people seem to have this ability. I’m not sure it’s human nature. People tend to uncritically accept the opinions and statements of their peers as fact.
Maybe you are exceptional and this doesn’t apply but I tend to think it applies to everyone to some extent.
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Yeah part of me wants to think I am immune but I think that’s my cognitive bias at work. But I do think I’m more skeptical than the average person, even if I’m not completely immune. People who think about and recognize these issues might have an extra layer of defense, if imperfect.
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