It’s staggering how we as a country roll our eyes at and mock MAGA, while falling for the exact same thing hook, line, and sinker.
If it makes you feel better, virtually nobody is immune. The ADF and other anti-democratic organizations do this for their bread and butter. They slowly chip away at public sentiment over time, even if it takes decades to pass their extremely dumb shit.
Those are not the same people though. Plenty of people support Trump in the UK and I don’t get it.
Some do, yeah. But nowhere near the amount of people who will happily go along with Farage.
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I refuse to let my daughters grow up to be ‘tradwives’ in a rightwing incel culture. Regardless of your moral stance on it, abortion rights is the thin and candid end of a nasty wedge. And I say that as a man and someone who sees abortion as a really big deal.
Women in this country need to fully wake up to what these people are about and oppose them.
Men in this country need to wake up and start caring about women’s rights without needing to have a daughter to realise women are people too…
I agree.
Yeah, the situation where people don’t oppose horrific policies because it doesn’t affect them personally is unsustainable. A better collective conversation about them, and a fostering of empathy from a young age, are needed.
Internet posters in this country need to wake up and not make sweeping generalisations that sours the discourse around sensitive topics.
If the shoe fits…
For a while I too was like “not all men”, but then I realized that muddying discourse with such rhetoric is counter-productive.
I know that I care about the rights of people who are not like me, and any talk about “men should wake up and start caring about X” doesn’t detract from that. In fact I agree with it, so I stopped complaining about such sweeping statements.
If the shoe fits…
If the shoe fits? Seriously? Fucking hell, mate. Would you say the same about minorities or people of colour? If the shoe fits and some of them are doing evil things then let’s stop complaining about branding them all bad they all just me the same, right? Those are your principles? Please tell me that’s not the case.
Why can’t you simply say that some men are bad some men are good but I judge everyone on their actions and not naively on what they are?
Thanks for your input, wouldn’t want feelings to get hurt when people’s bodily autonomy could be taken away
I can’t tell if you’re trolling or not 😅🤣 because I’m not taking about bodily autonomy or feelings being hurt. I don’t know how you managed to parse that from my comment 😂.
Men in this country need to wake up and start caring about women’s rights without needing to have a daughter to realise women are people too…
Stop. Making. Sweeping. Generalisations 👏👏. Your comment implies that unless men are fathers with daughters they don’t care about women’s rights. That’s a stupid generalisation not backed by any evidence.
People’s bodily autonomy being taken away is what we are talking about, regarding the original thread and the removal of abortion rights.
Many men in my life and around the world demonstrate the point that they only care once they have a daughter, including the comment I responded to. Directly contextualising it around his daughter but not his wife, or his mother or his sister? I also take great issue with placing the onus on women to ‘wake up’, when they are generally much more cognisant of the issues that affect them, and it is the responsibility of men to also take a moral stance, and not continue to ignore damaging policies that do not directly impact them, or worse, support them due to rising misogyny.
Personally I think ‘souring the conversation’ would be to complain about an obvious joke mirroring the language of the comment I replied to, to make some sort of ‘not all men’ plea, in a thread about a prominent politician with a wide base of support from young men moving towards an anti-abortion position.
I was responding to your comments. Not about the post. Again. Sweeping generalisations. Stop. It.
I feel sorry that you only have bad examples in your life that you feel the need to taint all men so harshly by your low standards of them. But that isn’t helpful to anyone and it actively pushes people away from you.
would be to complain about an obvious joke mirroring the language of the comment I replied to
Oi vey, the irony is strong in this one 😂.
Thinking women deserve bodily autonomy is not a high standard my friend, do better and stop playing a victim.
If that pushes you away from me then good, please stay far away.
Also congrats on identifying that jokes can be ironic.
Tradwives became a big thing primarily due to alienation from labor experienced by younger woman. Who were told that they are the „winners“ of new status quo. By giving everyone everything.
In comparison to the widely known crisis of masculinity, the crisis of femininity is still waiting to be discovered.
jk rowling: know it? i approve of it
The problem is that his supporters are all for this as they see it hurting the people they do not like and they fully ignore the wider impact of this until it directly impacts them or someone they care about. Its all their abortion pure evil, my abortion approved by god.
Nigel Farage is a criminally corrupt fascist sociopath. Everyone in Britain should know that.
Also, any men with a shred of decency in them should know that
On top of that, he’s a throbbing cockwaffle, and should probably be driven into the sea. Everyone should know that.
Shit and stain go well together.
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I disagreed with this comment but it shouldn’t have been removed IMO
Yeah… That’s problematic… This is supposed to be a political discussion community, NOT an echo chamber
It’s acceptable to call Trump supporters Eugenicists but not Pro Choice people? Odd.
No. What the fuck?
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Personally I believe that even if we agree that a foetus is a living human right from the moment of conception, no human has the right to force another human to use their own body to sustain them. I can’t demand that you let me connect us together with an IV so I can use your blood even if my life depends on it. Never mind that those “edge cases” are actually extremely important to a lot of people.
Buffer zone laws exist because those protests consistently target people seeking help in vulnerable situation, not the people with any power to actually make the changes that the protestors want. Your right to protest must be balanced against people’s right to access medical care.
None, and I do mean none, of the things you mentioned in the third and fourth paragraphs of your comment were brought about by abortion. Are you seriously trying to suggest that any of those things were better in, say, Victorian era Britain?
If those were the motivations behind abortion it’d be far, far easier for them to promote contraception instead. Why would this sinister lobby bother waiting for conception?
The ADF also has serious problems beyond just the abortion debate, though. Nobody should be associating with a group that has chosen to argue in court that barring people from adopting children on the grounds that they’re Jewish is okay.
If you adopt a child and neglect it, you can’t say that child is forcing itself on you.
Buffer zone laws exist because those protests consistently target people seeking help in vulnerable situation,
A lot of them are people offering them help.
None, and I do mean none, of the things you mentioned in the third and fourth paragraphs of your comment were brought about by abortion. Are you seriously trying to suggest that any of those things were better in, say, Victorian era Britain?
No, but abortion isn’t the solution. It’s a way of covering up. It’s like burning down a forest to get rid of grey squirrels. Sure, it might solve the problem but it’s a terrible “solution”.
If those were the motivations behind abortion it’d be far, far easier for them to promote contraception instead. Why would this sinister lobby bother waiting for conception?
Then why do we need abortion if contraception exists?
The ADF also has serious problems beyond just the abortion debate, though. Nobody should be associating with a group that has chosen to argue in court that barring people from adopting children on the grounds that they’re Jewish is okay.
No idea what that is. I’m just talking about abortion here tbh.
No idea what that is. I’m just talking about abortion here tbh.
Maybe read the article before commenting on whether or not it’s a “Farage W” then
This is lemmy, nobody reads the article
