ADF, a conservative Christian lobby group that counts among its allies JD Vance, has stated that its goal is to see abortion rights curtailed in Britain, says Guardian columnist Zoe Williams
Yeah, the situation where people don’t oppose horrific policies because it doesn’t affect them personally is unsustainable. A better collective conversation about them, and a fostering of empathy from a young age, are needed.
For a while I too was like “not all men”, but then I realized that muddying discourse with such rhetoric is counter-productive.
I know that I care about the rights of people who are not like me, and any talk about “men should wake up and start caring about X” doesn’t detract from that. In fact I agree with it, so I stopped complaining about such sweeping statements.
If the shoe fits? Seriously? Fucking hell, mate. Would you say the same about minorities or people of colour? If the shoe fits and some of them are doing evil things then let’s stop complaining about branding them all bad they all just me the same, right? Those are your principles? Please tell me that’s not the case.
Why can’t you simply say that some men are bad some men are good but I judge everyone on their actions and not naively on what they are?
I can’t tell if you’re trolling or not 😅🤣 because I’m not taking about bodily autonomy or feelings being hurt. I don’t know how you managed to parse that from my comment 😂.
Men in this country need to wake up and start caring about women’s rights without needing to have a daughter to realise women are people too…
Stop. Making. Sweeping. Generalisations 👏👏. Your comment implies that unless men are fathers with daughters they don’t care about women’s rights. That’s a stupid generalisation not backed by any evidence.
People’s bodily autonomy being taken away is what we are talking about, regarding the original thread and the removal of abortion rights.
Many men in my life and around the world demonstrate the point that they only care once they have a daughter, including the comment I responded to. Directly contextualising it around his daughter but not his wife, or his mother or his sister? I also take great issue with placing the onus on women to ‘wake up’, when they are generally much more cognisant of the issues that affect them, and it is the responsibility of men to also take a moral stance, and not continue to ignore damaging policies that do not directly impact them, or worse, support them due to rising misogyny.
Personally I think ‘souring the conversation’ would be to complain about an obvious joke mirroring the language of the comment I replied to, to make some sort of ‘not all men’ plea, in a thread about a prominent politician with a wide base of support from young men moving towards an anti-abortion position.
I was responding to your comments. Not about the post. Again. Sweeping generalisations. Stop. It.
I feel sorry that you only have bad examples in your life that you feel the need to taint all men so harshly by your low standards of them. But that isn’t helpful to anyone and it actively pushes people away from you.
would be to complain about an obvious joke mirroring the language of the comment I replied to
Can you point to where I have said women don’t deserve bodily autonomy? Please do this. You’ve brought this up a number of times to deflect from the point about stigmatising all men based on your low opinion of them. So show me where I’ve say this or disagree with it.
As you’ve repeatedly pointed out I’m making generalisations for the sake of brevity. If you think I’m talking about you that’s a you problem.
Point out for me where I’ve used the word ‘all’. If it comforts you, feel free to read my original comment and all other comments that trigger this defensive response in you as:
(There are) men in this country (who)…
Rather than
(All) men in this country …
Since I would read the comment I replied to the same way.
Men in this country need to wake up and start caring about women’s rights without needing to have a daughter to realise women are people too…
I agree.
Yeah, the situation where people don’t oppose horrific policies because it doesn’t affect them personally is unsustainable. A better collective conversation about them, and a fostering of empathy from a young age, are needed.
Internet posters in this country need to wake up and not make sweeping generalisations that sours the discourse around sensitive topics.
If the shoe fits…
For a while I too was like “not all men”, but then I realized that muddying discourse with such rhetoric is counter-productive.
I know that I care about the rights of people who are not like me, and any talk about “men should wake up and start caring about X” doesn’t detract from that. In fact I agree with it, so I stopped complaining about such sweeping statements.
If the shoe fits? Seriously? Fucking hell, mate. Would you say the same about minorities or people of colour? If the shoe fits and some of them are doing evil things then let’s stop complaining about branding them all bad they all just me the same, right? Those are your principles? Please tell me that’s not the case.
Why can’t you simply say that some men are bad some men are good but I judge everyone on their actions and not naively on what they are?
Thanks for your input, wouldn’t want feelings to get hurt when people’s bodily autonomy could be taken away
I can’t tell if you’re trolling or not 😅🤣 because I’m not taking about bodily autonomy or feelings being hurt. I don’t know how you managed to parse that from my comment 😂.
Stop. Making. Sweeping. Generalisations 👏👏. Your comment implies that unless men are fathers with daughters they don’t care about women’s rights. That’s a stupid generalisation not backed by any evidence.
People’s bodily autonomy being taken away is what we are talking about, regarding the original thread and the removal of abortion rights.
Many men in my life and around the world demonstrate the point that they only care once they have a daughter, including the comment I responded to. Directly contextualising it around his daughter but not his wife, or his mother or his sister? I also take great issue with placing the onus on women to ‘wake up’, when they are generally much more cognisant of the issues that affect them, and it is the responsibility of men to also take a moral stance, and not continue to ignore damaging policies that do not directly impact them, or worse, support them due to rising misogyny.
Personally I think ‘souring the conversation’ would be to complain about an obvious joke mirroring the language of the comment I replied to, to make some sort of ‘not all men’ plea, in a thread about a prominent politician with a wide base of support from young men moving towards an anti-abortion position.
I was responding to your comments. Not about the post. Again. Sweeping generalisations. Stop. It.
I feel sorry that you only have bad examples in your life that you feel the need to taint all men so harshly by your low standards of them. But that isn’t helpful to anyone and it actively pushes people away from you.
Oi vey, the irony is strong in this one 😂.
Thinking women deserve bodily autonomy is not a high standard my friend, do better and stop playing a victim.
If that pushes you away from me then good, please stay far away.
Also congrats on identifying that jokes can be ironic.
Can you point to where I have said women don’t deserve bodily autonomy? Please do this. You’ve brought this up a number of times to deflect from the point about stigmatising all men based on your low opinion of them. So show me where I’ve say this or disagree with it.
As you’ve repeatedly pointed out I’m making generalisations for the sake of brevity. If you think I’m talking about you that’s a you problem.
Point out for me where I’ve used the word ‘all’. If it comforts you, feel free to read my original comment and all other comments that trigger this defensive response in you as:
Rather than
Since I would read the comment I replied to the same way.