Well, off course. Its about trillions of dollars in weapons and arms selling to the allies. Peace is not that profitable. Who would be the bad guy now, if Russia had joined NATO?
Also in 1992 there was the Wolfowitz Doctrine, a U.S. defense policy document, which laid out America’s grand strategy post Soviet Union, describing how the U.S. will maintain global dominance. The CHINA, CHINA, CHINA (with Trumps voice), is now a “problem” to that Doctrine, and the U.S. is trying to control the damage.
I don’t say that Russia was the innocent victim, but this is how the game is played in that level. Were Russia in the place of the USA, they would have made the same move.
I’d imagine Russia would still act like the dickbags they always have but now they’d be inside the military alliance that was supposed to defend against Russian aggression.
Or they could be a totally normal and peaceful liberal democracy. But for me it’s jushard to imagine that being the likely outcome
Nobody knows. It depends how much more profit would be for the Russian elite class to have a democracy (maybe they could had played along to joined EU). As you see USA is not particularly democratic now-days (she is in danger to become Russia).
I’d imagine Russia would still act like the dickbags
In your alternate reality Russia is still bad because you’re just Russophobe. The current proto-fascist Russian government is a direct consequence of western decisions, first by dismantling the Soviet Union and then by not allowing Russia to Europeify.
Tired bullshit. Bolshevism is a hop and a skip away from Fascism. The West let the Soviet Union fail for the wrong reasons but the working class were never gonna control the means of production as long as the Soviet Union endured.
Fascism is when you guarantee jobs to everyone, when you give housing as a universal right at 3% of monthly average income, when you guarantee universal healthcare and free education to the highest level, when unionization rates are 80+%, when you don’t engage in economic imperialism, and when you’re the only country in the world to provide Spain (my homeland) with weapons to defend itself from fascism in the Spanish Civil War, and when you have more female engineers than the rest of the planet combined.
the working class were never gonna control the means of production as long as the Soviet Union endured
Surely the working class enjoys the means of production so much more now that Russia became a proto-fascist state infringing the rights of women, lgbtq and racialized people, when unemployment exists back again, and when Russia is militarily invading Ukraine. So fucking wonderful for workers to lose a decade of life expectancy, to never recover 1990 GDP levels and to suffer from unemployment, alcoholism, violent crime and mafia, drug abuse, suicide and capitalist exploitation. So much better and democratic workplaces than the USSR with 1 in 10 workplaces being vacant and workers literally being able to leave a job and find another within 2 weeks on average.
Russians wanted to join Europe, it simply wasn’t allowed, I don’t know what part of agency I’m removing from Russians. Funny how some countries are “democratically” allowed to join NATO (was there a referendum in Ukraine?), and some aren’t.
Russians are already part of Europe. Or like half of it is. And the members in EU and NATO always get to decide who to allow as members. Ukraine nor Russia is a member.
I was thinking agency in Eastern European people wanting to get away from under Soviet Union/Russia and join NATO and agency for Russians in some of their communist hardliners gave Soviet Union the final killing blow by destroying the New Union Treaty.
Well, off course. Its about trillions of dollars in weapons and arms selling to the allies. Peace is not that profitable. Who would be the bad guy now, if Russia had joined NATO?
Also in 1992 there was the Wolfowitz Doctrine, a U.S. defense policy document, which laid out America’s grand strategy post Soviet Union, describing how the U.S. will maintain global dominance. The CHINA, CHINA, CHINA (with Trumps voice), is now a “problem” to that Doctrine, and the U.S. is trying to control the damage.
I don’t say that Russia was the innocent victim, but this is how the game is played in that level. Were Russia in the place of the USA, they would have made the same move.
I’d imagine Russia would still act like the dickbags they always have but now they’d be inside the military alliance that was supposed to defend against Russian aggression.
Or they could be a totally normal and peaceful liberal democracy. But for me it’s jushard to imagine that being the likely outcome
Nobody knows. It depends how much more profit would be for the Russian elite class to have a democracy (maybe they could had played along to joined EU). As you see USA is not particularly democratic now-days (she is in danger to become Russia).
In your alternate reality Russia is still bad because you’re just Russophobe. The current proto-fascist Russian government is a direct consequence of western decisions, first by dismantling the Soviet Union and then by not allowing Russia to Europeify.
Tired bullshit. Bolshevism is a hop and a skip away from Fascism. The West let the Soviet Union fail for the wrong reasons but the working class were never gonna control the means of production as long as the Soviet Union endured.
Fascism is when you guarantee jobs to everyone, when you give housing as a universal right at 3% of monthly average income, when you guarantee universal healthcare and free education to the highest level, when unionization rates are 80+%, when you don’t engage in economic imperialism, and when you’re the only country in the world to provide Spain (my homeland) with weapons to defend itself from fascism in the Spanish Civil War, and when you have more female engineers than the rest of the planet combined.
Surely the working class enjoys the means of production so much more now that Russia became a proto-fascist state infringing the rights of women, lgbtq and racialized people, when unemployment exists back again, and when Russia is militarily invading Ukraine. So fucking wonderful for workers to lose a decade of life expectancy, to never recover 1990 GDP levels and to suffer from unemployment, alcoholism, violent crime and mafia, drug abuse, suicide and capitalist exploitation. So much better and democratic workplaces than the USSR with 1 in 10 workplaces being vacant and workers literally being able to leave a job and find another within 2 weeks on average.
I think it’s strange how you don’t allow Russians or other Eastern European people agency of their own.
Typical ML worldview. Defiance to the Ruling Class isn’t tolerated.
Russians wanted to join Europe, it simply wasn’t allowed, I don’t know what part of agency I’m removing from Russians. Funny how some countries are “democratically” allowed to join NATO (was there a referendum in Ukraine?), and some aren’t.
Russians are already part of Europe. Or like half of it is. And the members in EU and NATO always get to decide who to allow as members. Ukraine nor Russia is a member.
I was thinking agency in Eastern European people wanting to get away from under Soviet Union/Russia and join NATO and agency for Russians in some of their communist hardliners gave Soviet Union the final killing blow by destroying the New Union Treaty.