• gruvn@sh.itjust.works
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    12 days ago

    Nobody is missing the point. We’re all discussing boycotting, and for some reason, it triggers you. Have fun defending your ridiculous assertion that boycotts are useless against strangers on the internet.

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      12 days ago

      What has the boycott accomplished? This question seems to make you a might testy, doesn’t it?

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        11 days ago

        Well. Vegas is empty. Florida is empty. Kentucky lost a massive part of its Bourbon market. All American produce in Canadian grocery stores is being replaced with produce from other countries.

        It is absolutely having an impact. To say otherwise is to ignore reality.

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          11 days ago

          Vegas is empty because it’s unaffordable. Even Americans avoid it. Canadians cannot afford US healthcare in Florida.

          Kentucky lost 8% of its bourbon sales, hardly massive, and people need to stop drinking carcinogenic liquids anyway.

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          11 days ago

          That’s not delinking from the USA. That is changing consumption habits. I’m not going to reiterate yet again the financial relationship between Canada and the US. You have to actually acquire and wield political power. You cannot just ask your government to delink.

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              11 days ago

              This article is paywalled, so I assume you have not read it and are going off the headlines, like you have with everything else you said to me. It’s a shame you’re giving up, but then again you never had political goals to begin with.

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                11 days ago

                It’s not paywalled for me - I’ve read it. If you read my comments only, I have merely agreed that for Canadians, boycotting the US is now commonplace, and we think it’s a good idea. You seem to want to argue about something else.

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                  11 days ago

                  Yes, of course I am arguing about more than what brand of socks Canadians buy. That’s why I keep mentioning the global financial system run by the US. You seem to be under the impression you can “opt out”. You’re hiding under a blanket from the monster and hoping it goes away. Sorry but the monster is your own father

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                    10 days ago

                    Dude - I don’t want to argue with you. I am certain if we sat down and had a beer together, we would get along. We know that most trade in Canada is dependant on the US, and that boycotts aren’t super effective. That being said, when Trump threatened Canadian sovereignty, he immediately made about 40 million people FURIOUS. Every single one of us is doing everything we can to hit the US back. If threats to our sovereignty are because we are perceived as being dependant on the US, we will strive to reduce that dependence. Like most, all I can do is “vote with my wallet”, so that’s what we, as a nation, are doing.
                    No Canadian thinks it will topple the US economy - we’re not stupid. I personally think the sovereignty threat is the only problem - I don’t care about the tarrifs. Every dollar we remove from the US economy protects our sovereignty. And we are removing BILLIONS. Remember, no politician told us to do this, and no politician would be able to stop it. Official actions like removing US liquor only started way after citizens had already started boycotting. I’ve lived in the US and I know many are raised thinking that everyone wants to be American and I’ve heard people say that that Canada should be “flattered” at idea of becoming the 51st state. Most Americans would be gobsmacked to learn how fiercely proud we are to be Canadian. We will never be American. Interpret that however you choose. So honestly - I have zero beefs with you or your comments. I’m sure we’d enjoy sitting down for a drink. And when we go for that drink, we would go to an establishment that we like, right? We wouldn’t spend our money at a place that threatens us, right? We can and should vote with our wallets, and most of us Canadians are doing so. If you don’t agree with that last sentence, I see no purpose for any further discussion.

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                  11 days ago

                  Like I’m sorry to be terse, but you are presumably adults if you are taking interest in this, and you view the economy like a literal baby looking at a Richard Scarry Busytown book. There is a lot more going on than the consumption of first world citizens. It’s not your consumption that needs to be cut off - and you can’t, only minimize to essentials or seek alternatives that may very well be shipped by companies owned by US financiers (you won’t even check as long as it doesn’t say “made in USA”, which NOTHING is. America CONSUMES, like you!) - it’s your willing participation in reproducing the bourgeois democracy that enables people like Trump and Obama to ruin or end the lives of millions.

                  This is harder than anything you have ever even considered doing in your entire lives, so no wonder you can’t even figure out what I mean.

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                    10 days ago

                    So, if I personally can’t change global trade, I should just do nothing. Got it. Thank you.