sound is necessary for driving; it isnt, and deaf drivers with and without a “lifetime of experience” being deaf yet being allowed to drive regardless is the obvious contradiction.
that listening to music or an audiobook or the news is an insurmountable distraction to driving; it isnt, and the fact that youre allowed to listen to music and news etc is the obvious contradiction. maybe its different wherever you live, but here youre expected to be able to cope with distractions while driving.
furthermore, not one single person in this entire thread has actually explained why or how it is dangerous to wear headphones while driving, but instead everyone just repeats it as recieved wisdom and implicitly either demands my compliance, or vaguely threatens me about a law that doesnt exist here, while simultaneously refusing to address either of those obvious contradictions and accusing me of being ‘ludicrous’.
put all that together, plus my lived experience actually, yknow, doing the shit without the sky falling on my head, and i dont see a single reason to believe that headphones are any more dangerous while driving than being deaf, which is considered a tolerable risk (and, incidental to my argument, i can still hear eg. horns and screeching tires etc., not that any of you give a fuck about my lived experience.)
does that answer your obviously-bad-faith question?
Not hearing anything is nowhere near the same as actively distracting yourself with whatever is playing on the headphones while also suppressing a sense you typically rely on. The idea of people who are irresponsible enough to drive with headphones practicing enough to somehow match the experience of someone who lives every second of every day without sound, is ludicrous at best.
your personal incredulity notwithstanding, are you advocating not listening to music too (edit: speakers)? audiobooks… billboards… rainbow crosswalks… very distracting.
edit: shall I assume the lack of response here stems from an inability to successfully address the obvious contradictions in your argument?
Not to the point that you can’t hear or with ANC. Im advocating for not using headphones while driving at all, because it’s dangerous and irresponsible. Your point of “deaf people exist so headphones while driving is fine” is incorrect. Furthermore, if I stop replying it’ll likely be due to not wanting to debate with someone trying to defend dangerous driving habits.
my point isnt that deaf people exist, my point is that they represent an obvious contradiction that you have not taken the trouble to explain; now you dont get to have it both ways. either deaf people are deprived of something that makes driving dangerous, or they arent. if there is something that explains the apparent contradiction, id sure like to know more about it. if it seems im bein particular about this, it’s because i am: ive been driving with my headphones on, professionally, for over a decade now. ive heard people claim headphones are somehow dangerous, but nobody has yet subsequently explained how deaf people are somehow safe to drive without sound in a way that i am not. it seems to me a very obvious contradiction.
you try to explain that deaf people might have adaptations and accomodations, (though you forget or are unaware that these are not required to be qualified to drive (or i suppose at least in my neck of the woods. maybe thats a requirement wherever youre from)) and that they have a lifetime of practice. well, i can still hear horns despite the headphones, and i have a helluvalot more practice in these specific conditions than a deaf 16-year-old fresh with their license, or a person who suffered hearing loss but still drives to work the very same day they get cleared to go back to work, however ludicrous you may think that is.
i’ll give you a pass on other extremely common forms of distraction and obscuration, even the audio ones like blaring music, loud pipes, or screaming children, as being the lesser of the two arguments i presented.
all that said, if you aint wanna keep going thats fine, ive said most of what i wanted to say and i dont wanna antagonize you for having a different opinion.
for over a decade now, as previously explained, i have been wearing headphones while driving, both at work and not. im sure youll be as pleased to know its not illegal in my region as i am pleased to see you ignore the entire rest of my argument.
deaf people manage it.
And what do you think they’re listening to? They’re probably less distracted than the rest of us.
there are two things i am arguing against:
sound is necessary for driving; it isnt, and deaf drivers with and without a “lifetime of experience” being deaf yet being allowed to drive regardless is the obvious contradiction.
that listening to music or an audiobook or the news is an insurmountable distraction to driving; it isnt, and the fact that youre allowed to listen to music and news etc is the obvious contradiction. maybe its different wherever you live, but here youre expected to be able to cope with distractions while driving.
furthermore, not one single person in this entire thread has actually explained why or how it is dangerous to wear headphones while driving, but instead everyone just repeats it as recieved wisdom and implicitly either demands my compliance, or vaguely threatens me about a law that doesnt exist here, while simultaneously refusing to address either of those obvious contradictions and accusing me of being ‘ludicrous’.
put all that together, plus my lived experience actually, yknow, doing the shit without the sky falling on my head, and i dont see a single reason to believe that headphones are any more dangerous while driving than being deaf, which is considered a tolerable risk (and, incidental to my argument, i can still hear eg. horns and screeching tires etc., not that any of you give a fuck about my lived experience.)
does that answer your obviously-bad-faith question?
Deaf people also have a lot more experience compensating for / adjusting to the loss of that particular sensory input.
no shit? you can compensate for it with practice? damn i shoulda thought of that
Not hearing anything is nowhere near the same as actively distracting yourself with whatever is playing on the headphones while also suppressing a sense you typically rely on. The idea of people who are irresponsible enough to drive with headphones practicing enough to somehow match the experience of someone who lives every second of every day without sound, is ludicrous at best.
your personal incredulity notwithstanding, are you advocating not listening to music too (edit: speakers)? audiobooks… billboards… rainbow crosswalks… very distracting.
edit: shall I assume the lack of response here stems from an inability to successfully address the obvious contradictions in your argument?Not to the point that you can’t hear or with ANC. Im advocating for not using headphones while driving at all, because it’s dangerous and irresponsible. Your point of “deaf people exist so headphones while driving is fine” is incorrect. Furthermore, if I stop replying it’ll likely be due to not wanting to debate with someone trying to defend dangerous driving habits.
my point isnt that deaf people exist, my point is that they represent an obvious contradiction that you have not taken the trouble to explain; now you dont get to have it both ways. either deaf people are deprived of something that makes driving dangerous, or they arent. if there is something that explains the apparent contradiction, id sure like to know more about it. if it seems im bein particular about this, it’s because i am: ive been driving with my headphones on, professionally, for over a decade now. ive heard people claim headphones are somehow dangerous, but nobody has yet subsequently explained how deaf people are somehow safe to drive without sound in a way that i am not. it seems to me a very obvious contradiction.
you try to explain that deaf people might have adaptations and accomodations, (though you forget or are unaware that these are not required to be qualified to drive (or i suppose at least in my neck of the woods. maybe thats a requirement wherever youre from)) and that they have a lifetime of practice. well, i can still hear horns despite the headphones, and i have a helluvalot more practice in these specific conditions than a deaf 16-year-old fresh with their license, or a person who suffered hearing loss but still drives to work the very same day they get cleared to go back to work, however ludicrous you may think that is.
i’ll give you a pass on other extremely common forms of distraction and obscuration, even the audio ones like blaring music, loud pipes, or screaming children, as being the lesser of the two arguments i presented.
all that said, if you aint wanna keep going thats fine, ive said most of what i wanted to say and i dont wanna antagonize you for having a different opinion.
In most states it’s illegal to drive with both ears covered/plugged with headphones/earbuds. You professionally breaking the law?
for over a decade now, as previously explained, i have been wearing headphones while driving, both at work and not. im sure youll be as pleased to know its not illegal in my region as i am pleased to see you ignore the entire rest of my argument.