Israel has no way to win in this situation. Torturing her will result in media backlash. Executing her would only make a martyr, which is even worse. Somehow, Israel didn’t choose to kick her out immediately.
The worst thing Israel could have done to discredit Greta Thunberg and damage her brand would have been to give her a nice meal, a warm bed in a nice hotel, gently push her onboard the next 1st class flight back to Stockholm the next day and release a statement telling her to go play SJW somewhere else. Instead, they’re doing everything possible to confirm they’re truly bad people, like dumbasses.
We do not often read how Israeli politicians talk, verbatim*. They got used responding only to their own media landscape, where apparently they can go much farther in their rhetoric (and subsequent actions) without repercussions. There’s also some deep-seated misogyny specifically against women of other race/religion or however they define that for themselves. Like, they’d never do that if she was a typical NY Jew, for example.
Of course that isn’t the whole picture; we must also look at the unquestioning support they’ve been getting from most “Western” countries which no doubt contributed to them developing this sort of impunity.
* Netanyahu often speaks English when addressing the world. It’s still bad enough, but it allows him to present a different picture to the world than to his constituency.
It’s kinda like all those comments on WWII that begin with “The Nazis could’ve won if only they…” and then describe a course of action that would require the Nazis to not be Nazis.
My guess is that eventually they’ll cross some invisible line and their former allies begin to turn against them. Where that line is can also change depending on the global political atmosphere. As long as Russia and USA interfere with the Middle East, we’re locked in a proxy war style situation with no clear way out. If Russia and USA suddenly loose interest in this eternal war zone, then Israel would need to watch out, because crossing that invisible line would have consequences, and the line would be a lot closer than ever before.
For the time being though, I don’t think Israel needs to worry about that. They could start using Zyklon B on Palestinian children, and the world would not interfere.
No. That’s the thing; the ruling classes love what’s going on here.
It’s not just a genocide –they’re reviving old fashioned colonial violence, plundering, subjugation. The normalizing of extermination. The normalizing of killing truth raping the corpse and solving all your problems with killing. The normalization of impunity–that someone’s allowed to get away with this
That’s worth everything to the billionaire class. The more they horror it up; the more they love it.
Well some of them would, because that’s how international politics works. However, a surprising number of countries have recognized Palestine, so I think the number of friends Israel has might be in a decline.
Well, they’re still torturing her; we don’t know it isn’t gonna happen. 20$ says if she lives they’ll have raped the shit out of her, and will defend themselves as having the right to do it. Takers?
But then more people might be willing to risk it and ride in aid. Israel definitely doesn’t want that. (Not saying it’s a good thing just the optics would cause them just as many problems)
Israel has no way to win in this situation. Torturing her will result in media backlash. Executing her would only make a martyr, which is even worse. Somehow, Israel didn’t choose to kick her out immediately.
The worst thing Israel could have done to discredit Greta Thunberg and damage her brand would have been to give her a nice meal, a warm bed in a nice hotel, gently push her onboard the next 1st class flight back to Stockholm the next day and release a statement telling her to go play SJW somewhere else. Instead, they’re doing everything possible to confirm they’re truly bad people, like dumbasses.
Theyre fucking orcs. Hit that ‘translate from Hebrew’ button. Only other language you’ll see anyone say anything even close to that vile is German.
Huh, translate what? I’m confused
Anything from that vile fucking conlang.
Being plain evil without pretending otherwise has worked out just fine until now, why would they stop?
True.
And I think I have an explanation for that:
We do not often read how Israeli politicians talk, verbatim*. They got used responding only to their own media landscape, where apparently they can go much farther in their rhetoric (and subsequent actions) without repercussions. There’s also some deep-seated misogyny specifically against women of other race/religion or however they define that for themselves. Like, they’d never do that if she was a typical NY Jew, for example.
Of course that isn’t the whole picture; we must also look at the unquestioning support they’ve been getting from most “Western” countries which no doubt contributed to them developing this sort of impunity.
* Netanyahu often speaks English when addressing the world. It’s still bad enough, but it allows him to present a different picture to the world than to his constituency.
It’s kinda like all those comments on WWII that begin with “The Nazis could’ve won if only they…” and then describe a course of action that would require the Nazis to not be Nazis.
But Nazis, as demonstrated here, can’t ever be human again. They will always be Nazis once they become Nazis.
Exactly! They picked one of the foolish routes instead.
Will it prove foolish? Will there be consequences?
Who knows.
My guess is that eventually they’ll cross some invisible line and their former allies begin to turn against them. Where that line is can also change depending on the global political atmosphere. As long as Russia and USA interfere with the Middle East, we’re locked in a proxy war style situation with no clear way out. If Russia and USA suddenly loose interest in this eternal war zone, then Israel would need to watch out, because crossing that invisible line would have consequences, and the line would be a lot closer than ever before.
For the time being though, I don’t think Israel needs to worry about that. They could start using Zyklon B on Palestinian children, and the world would not interfere.
No. That’s the thing; the ruling classes love what’s going on here.
It’s not just a genocide –they’re reviving old fashioned colonial violence, plundering, subjugation. The normalizing of extermination. The normalizing of killing truth raping the corpse and solving all your problems with killing. The normalization of impunity–that someone’s allowed to get away with this
That’s worth everything to the billionaire class. The more they horror it up; the more they love it.
Didn’t they already do that once?
Yes, that’s what they did last time.
They could publicly execute her and governments around the world would still support them.
Well some of them would, because that’s how international politics works. However, a surprising number of countries have recognized Palestine, so I think the number of friends Israel has might be in a decline.
They realize that kicking her out just means she will be on her way back on the next boat. They are trying to intimidate her into not coming back.
I hope the Swedish government has a harsh answer for one of their citizens getting kidnapped in International Waters.
One they haven’t given for genocide?
Yes, because she is swedish
That they failed to apply last time she was “detained” by Israel?
Yes, because I hope.
Why does this matter? Why do they care?
I have no idea
I would guess that any given country cares for their nationals, but that’s a very varying metric
It’s not like they havent murdered blonde ladies from rich countries before.
The rich don’t care, because of what Zionism does to push the overtones window, what it does as a laboratory of oppression.
I wonder why they haven’t murdered Greta yet
Well, they’re still torturing her; we don’t know it isn’t gonna happen. 20$ says if she lives they’ll have raped the shit out of her, and will defend themselves as having the right to do it. Takers?
They could have not taken her hostage.
But then more people might be willing to risk it and ride in aid. Israel definitely doesn’t want that. (Not saying it’s a good thing just the optics would cause them just as many problems)
Too late for that. They screwed up.
She’s probably just a useful idiot. Might be useful to interrogate her and get whoever got her to do this.
It’s the latter, I have this user tagged.
Now I do too
Do you have any theories as to who…uh…put her up to this?
Nothing great. Could be Zaher Birawi working with Hamas, but that information could also be another propaganda bit.
Are u for real??