Yeah again if you aren’t absorbing adequate vitamin D from being outside, it is probably more related to other vitamin deficiencies, often vitamins k and e. That’s why for years there were no known health benefits of supplementing vitamin d, until it got paired with vitamin k - your vitamin d supplements you take literally have vitamin k in them for this reason.
It is actually a better idea to take it midday or later in the day, but paired with other fat soluble vitamins and calcium, and this is intuitive that your max vitamin D status naturally would be at the end of the day once you’ve eaten and been in the sun all day.
You would never wake up full of vitamin D, the premise doesn’t make sense.
Melatonin and vitamin D have a complex relationship with calcium and serotonin and other biological pathways. I wouldn’t call one an “antidote” to the other because they are synergistic.
I say “morning” but 11-14 is basically my morning and I’m in Northern Europe. But yeah, probably best to take it dawn than dusk. And research seems to agree.
During natural day–night rhythms, serum vitamin D3 (cholecalciferol) increases rapidly as a result of UVB exposure [32], which occurs mostly between 11:00 and 15:00 h at higher latitudes (Europe, USA) since UVB is largely absent before and after these times due to the large solar zenith angle [9]. Also after supplement intake, serum cholecalciferol starts rising in a similar (rapid) fashion as after UVB exposure [32]. It is not unlikely that increases in cholecalciferol levels during the time window in which UVB exposure naturally occurs is most optimal for subsequent processing of vitamin D metabolites in the liver and kidneys. Especially because organ metabolism (i.e., nutrient uptake and processing in the liver and kidneys) is also regulated by circadian clocks.
“Closer to dawn than dusk” doesn’t mean “at dawn”, more like “before midday”.
And yes, it is literally dawn in Finland during winter months, if we’re gonna be pedantic about this. And you don’t even need to go to into the polar circle. About halfway to 2/3rds up Finland would be enough for dawn to be around 11.30 during winter.
I would wager that for a lot people on Lemmy, 15.00 is closer to their wakeup time than bedtime.
Dawn is when the sun rises. Morning is when you rise.
Oh we were having some sort or a pedant-off contest here, I didn’t actually say “AT dawn”. I meant to write “closer to” in there as well, but either I fucked it up with typing on mobile or I’m just so high my brain skipped a few words. Both have been known to happen on Saturday evenings.
Oh yeah there’s a hundred other things there as well, but *studies SEEM to indicate that you shouldn’t take vitamin d at night / in the evening / close to your bedtime. And since our organs also have circadian rhythms or function on oir circadian rhythm and it takes a while to ingest all of the supplement, perhaps a bit before a bit before your bedtime? Perhaps like, make it a routine to do it nearer the beginning of the day than the end of the day.
You have to use the actual words you mean, I can’t hallucinate your real meaning from thin air. People make typos, you made one, whatever. Just admit it was a mistake and move on instead of blaming ME lol, it’s so… lol.
Lol that is not what morning means. Morning is early morning to noon. You wouldn’t wake up at 2pm and insist the time of day is morning, even if you can say it’s YOUR morning and I understand that you mean you just woke up because it’s a common joke about late sleepers saying “morning” when it’s later.
I said to take vitamin D at midday. Never did I say to take it at night. You brought up taking a dose at night (probably to educate readers) when no one else has been saying to do so, certainly not me. The argument therefore isn’t: take before bed or take right when you wake up, the argument is: take midday or take right when you wake up.
You also can’t arbitrarily claim I’ve said something I’ve not said.
I’m a human, as you probably guess, and thus, fallible. I did admit to having made a mistake. The mistake was either in my fingers or my brain, but yeah, I definitely admitted to it being “my bad”. Maybe you skipped words when reading said comment, because you too, are human, and thus, fallible?
Oh we’re arguing the prescriptive meaning of “morning”? Cool. To me. Because It allows me to pedantically correct you, which you hate, because you’re just being a lil’ contrarian.
All academic research in linguistics is descriptive; like all other scientific disciplines, it aims to describe reality, without the bias of preconceived ideas about how it ought to be.
Morning is used to indicate “hello people, I’ve recently woken up”, even when it’s not actually morning. Like if someone wakes up, even it’s during the evening, but in an inappropriate place (ie someone dosed off somewhere), their friend make say “good morning, sleepyhead” when they wake up. Why’s that, then? You just strictly defined what morning means, so it can’t be used in other contexts. Oh wait, right, that’s only if you’re linguistically prescriptive. Which no academic linguists are, because that’s not how language gets used in the real world.
Where we are.
Ever worked a shift job? In those too, you’d find people talking about “in the morning” as the time of day they woke up, even when theyre working a night shift. But also, they might at the same time say “when I got home in the morning”, because that’s equally valid language usage. Because language is not prescriptive.
I said to take vitamin D at midday.
No, you’re now rounding up to midday, so you don’t have to argue the science over that anymore. You said “midday or later in the day”.
No, not “later in the day” exactly for the reasons mentioned. Despite never actually saying you have to take it the moment you wake up.
I can share my anecdotal experience though, which is that if you have to wake up 4 hours before dawn actually comes to go to work to drive people to buses and trains and then kids to school, I very much feel that vitamin D does perk me up in the morning. But with how large placebo is and how hard it is to quantify fatigue in general, that is purely anecdotal, not claiming it as any sort of evidence. But seems to help to wake up in a different way than caffeine, which basically just increases heartrate. (And no, that isn’t all it does, I’m exaggerating. That’s why I put down “basically”, because I don’t mean the sentence following it literally.)
And no, I didn’t proofread this and am sure there are more mistakes in it as well. Typos mostly I think but I’m not above skipping a word on accident. Ambien is a helluva drug. Although I’m not yet on today. Or am I and just forgot I took some? Might be. I’ve noticed it’s not terribly good for my memory.
Edit yeah in my first comment I did advice that if one supplements vitamin D, one shouldn’t probably do it in the evening. Then I exaggerated with comparing it to an antidote to melatonin to simplify the reason.
And lo behold, here we are a half a dozen essays later talking about it so I could’ve prolly saved time by actually detailing the first answer, but I wasn’t assuming such prescription
Jesus, I can tell by the length of this post it is a narcissistic reaction to shame of being corrected/wrong. Pathetic.
You also can’t arbitrarily claim I’ve said something I’ve not said.
You literally said it. I quoted it. It wasn’t arbitrary. Pathetic lol
I didn’t skip any words, you did. When you wrote it. It’s been quoted.
Look up denotative meaning. The denotative meaning and general meaning of morning is as previously described. I already explained it is a JOKE to say “Good morning” in the afternoon when someone wakes up, it is IRONY. It ONLY WORKS as a joke and irony BECAUSE it isn’t ACTUALLY morning.
They don’t say THE morning, they say MY morning, as in, relative to them. Again, going off the ironic usage of this phrase. Further, we were NEVER talking about shift work.
You started this off being randomly contrarian so you’re projecting there.
If I call you stupid, or if I call you NOT stupid - that one little word makes a big difference, right? It’s like, words matter, I can’t just hallucinate what you mean. You have to say it, this is obvious and pathetic you are bellyaching about it.
Again, no one said to give it in the evening.
Gonna also tell you that Ambien causes dementia. If you are genuinely feeling confused, you may want to go to the doctor, not being a dick about it.
Yeah again if you aren’t absorbing adequate vitamin D from being outside, it is probably more related to other vitamin deficiencies, often vitamins k and e. That’s why for years there were no known health benefits of supplementing vitamin d, until it got paired with vitamin k - your vitamin d supplements you take literally have vitamin k in them for this reason.
It is actually a better idea to take it midday or later in the day, but paired with other fat soluble vitamins and calcium, and this is intuitive that your max vitamin D status naturally would be at the end of the day once you’ve eaten and been in the sun all day.
You would never wake up full of vitamin D, the premise doesn’t make sense.
Melatonin and vitamin D have a complex relationship with calcium and serotonin and other biological pathways. I wouldn’t call one an “antidote” to the other because they are synergistic.
It’s not just because they’re synergistic.
I say “morning” but 11-14 is basically my morning and I’m in Northern Europe. But yeah, probably best to take it dawn than dusk. And research seems to agree.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1087079220301222
But yeah “antidote” is hyperbole, my bad. “Further study is needed.”
That isn’t dawn. No one should take vitamin D at dawn or when they first wake up. They should take it later in the day. Not at dusk either.
“Closer to dawn than dusk” doesn’t mean “at dawn”, more like “before midday”.
And yes, it is literally dawn in Finland during winter months, if we’re gonna be pedantic about this. And you don’t even need to go to into the polar circle. About halfway to 2/3rds up Finland would be enough for dawn to be around 11.30 during winter.
I would wager that for a lot people on Lemmy, 15.00 is closer to their wakeup time than bedtime.
Well, direct the pedantry to yourself because you’re the one using ‘dawn’ that way, I just used your own term back to you quoting your words used:
You did not say CLOSER to dawn. You said take it at dawn than dusk.
There’s other reasons I think this, having to do with calcium, osteocalcin, movement, and vitamin k/food.
Morning is different from dawn.
Dawn is when the sun rises. Morning is when you rise.
Oh we were having some sort or a pedant-off contest here, I didn’t actually say “AT dawn”. I meant to write “closer to” in there as well, but either I fucked it up with typing on mobile or I’m just so high my brain skipped a few words. Both have been known to happen on Saturday evenings.
Oh yeah there’s a hundred other things there as well, but *studies SEEM to indicate that you shouldn’t take vitamin d at night / in the evening / close to your bedtime. And since our organs also have circadian rhythms or function on oir circadian rhythm and it takes a while to ingest all of the supplement, perhaps a bit before a bit before your bedtime? Perhaps like, make it a routine to do it nearer the beginning of the day than the end of the day.
Science seems to agree.
You have to use the actual words you mean, I can’t hallucinate your real meaning from thin air. People make typos, you made one, whatever. Just admit it was a mistake and move on instead of blaming ME lol, it’s so… lol.
Lol that is not what morning means. Morning is early morning to noon. You wouldn’t wake up at 2pm and insist the time of day is morning, even if you can say it’s YOUR morning and I understand that you mean you just woke up because it’s a common joke about late sleepers saying “morning” when it’s later.
I said to take vitamin D at midday. Never did I say to take it at night. You brought up taking a dose at night (probably to educate readers) when no one else has been saying to do so, certainly not me. The argument therefore isn’t: take before bed or take right when you wake up, the argument is: take midday or take right when you wake up.
You also can’t arbitrarily claim I’ve said something I’ve not said.
I’m a human, as you probably guess, and thus, fallible. I did admit to having made a mistake. The mistake was either in my fingers or my brain, but yeah, I definitely admitted to it being “my bad”. Maybe you skipped words when reading said comment, because you too, are human, and thus, fallible?
Oh we’re arguing the prescriptive meaning of “morning”? Cool. To me. Because It allows me to pedantically correct you, which you hate, because you’re just being a lil’ contrarian.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_description
Morning is used to indicate “hello people, I’ve recently woken up”, even when it’s not actually morning. Like if someone wakes up, even it’s during the evening, but in an inappropriate place (ie someone dosed off somewhere), their friend make say “good morning, sleepyhead” when they wake up. Why’s that, then? You just strictly defined what morning means, so it can’t be used in other contexts. Oh wait, right, that’s only if you’re linguistically prescriptive. Which no academic linguists are, because that’s not how language gets used in the real world.
Where we are.
Ever worked a shift job? In those too, you’d find people talking about “in the morning” as the time of day they woke up, even when theyre working a night shift. But also, they might at the same time say “when I got home in the morning”, because that’s equally valid language usage. Because language is not prescriptive.
No, you’re now rounding up to midday, so you don’t have to argue the science over that anymore. You said “midday or later in the day”.
No, not “later in the day” exactly for the reasons mentioned. Despite never actually saying you have to take it the moment you wake up.
I can share my anecdotal experience though, which is that if you have to wake up 4 hours before dawn actually comes to go to work to drive people to buses and trains and then kids to school, I very much feel that vitamin D does perk me up in the morning. But with how large placebo is and how hard it is to quantify fatigue in general, that is purely anecdotal, not claiming it as any sort of evidence. But seems to help to wake up in a different way than caffeine, which basically just increases heartrate. (And no, that isn’t all it does, I’m exaggerating. That’s why I put down “basically”, because I don’t mean the sentence following it literally.)
And no, I didn’t proofread this and am sure there are more mistakes in it as well. Typos mostly I think but I’m not above skipping a word on accident. Ambien is a helluva drug. Although I’m not yet on today. Or am I and just forgot I took some? Might be. I’ve noticed it’s not terribly good for my memory.
Edit yeah in my first comment I did advice that if one supplements vitamin D, one shouldn’t probably do it in the evening. Then I exaggerated with comparing it to an antidote to melatonin to simplify the reason.
And lo behold, here we are a half a dozen essays later talking about it so I could’ve prolly saved time by actually detailing the first answer, but I wasn’t assuming such prescription
Jesus, I can tell by the length of this post it is a narcissistic reaction to shame of being corrected/wrong. Pathetic.
You literally said it. I quoted it. It wasn’t arbitrary. Pathetic lol
I didn’t skip any words, you did. When you wrote it. It’s been quoted.
Look up denotative meaning. The denotative meaning and general meaning of morning is as previously described. I already explained it is a JOKE to say “Good morning” in the afternoon when someone wakes up, it is IRONY. It ONLY WORKS as a joke and irony BECAUSE it isn’t ACTUALLY morning.
They don’t say THE morning, they say MY morning, as in, relative to them. Again, going off the ironic usage of this phrase. Further, we were NEVER talking about shift work.
You started this off being randomly contrarian so you’re projecting there.
If I call you stupid, or if I call you NOT stupid - that one little word makes a big difference, right? It’s like, words matter, I can’t just hallucinate what you mean. You have to say it, this is obvious and pathetic you are bellyaching about it.
Again, no one said to give it in the evening.
Gonna also tell you that Ambien causes dementia. If you are genuinely feeling confused, you may want to go to the doctor, not being a dick about it.