• Dasus@lemmy.world
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    20 hours ago

    Morning is different from dawn.

    Dawn is when the sun rises. Morning is when you rise.

    Oh we were having some sort or a pedant-off contest here, I didn’t actually say “AT dawn”. I meant to write “closer to” in there as well, but either I fucked it up with typing on mobile or I’m just so high my brain skipped a few words. Both have been known to happen on Saturday evenings.

    Oh yeah there’s a hundred other things there as well, but *studies SEEM to indicate that you shouldn’t take vitamin d at night / in the evening / close to your bedtime. And since our organs also have circadian rhythms or function on oir circadian rhythm and it takes a while to ingest all of the supplement, perhaps a bit before a bit before your bedtime? Perhaps like, make it a routine to do it nearer the beginning of the day than the end of the day.

    Science seems to agree.

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      You have to use the actual words you mean, I can’t hallucinate your real meaning from thin air. People make typos, you made one, whatever. Just admit it was a mistake and move on instead of blaming ME lol, it’s so… lol.

      Lol that is not what morning means. Morning is early morning to noon. You wouldn’t wake up at 2pm and insist the time of day is morning, even if you can say it’s YOUR morning and I understand that you mean you just woke up because it’s a common joke about late sleepers saying “morning” when it’s later.

      I said to take vitamin D at midday. Never did I say to take it at night. You brought up taking a dose at night (probably to educate readers) when no one else has been saying to do so, certainly not me. The argument therefore isn’t: take before bed or take right when you wake up, the argument is: take midday or take right when you wake up.

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        20 hours ago

        You also can’t arbitrarily claim I’ve said something I’ve not said.

        I’m a human, as you probably guess, and thus, fallible. I did admit to having made a mistake. The mistake was either in my fingers or my brain, but yeah, I definitely admitted to it being “my bad”. Maybe you skipped words when reading said comment, because you too, are human, and thus, fallible?

        Oh we’re arguing the prescriptive meaning of “morning”? Cool. To me. Because It allows me to pedantically correct you, which you hate, because you’re just being a lil’ contrarian.

        All academic research in linguistics is descriptive; like all other scientific disciplines, it aims to describe reality, without the bias of preconceived ideas about how it ought to be.

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_description

        Morning is used to indicate “hello people, I’ve recently woken up”, even when it’s not actually morning. Like if someone wakes up, even it’s during the evening, but in an inappropriate place (ie someone dosed off somewhere), their friend make say “good morning, sleepyhead” when they wake up. Why’s that, then? You just strictly defined what morning means, so it can’t be used in other contexts. Oh wait, right, that’s only if you’re linguistically prescriptive. Which no academic linguists are, because that’s not how language gets used in the real world.

        Where we are.

        Ever worked a shift job? In those too, you’d find people talking about “in the morning” as the time of day they woke up, even when theyre working a night shift. But also, they might at the same time say “when I got home in the morning”, because that’s equally valid language usage. Because language is not prescriptive.

        I said to take vitamin D at midday.

        No, you’re now rounding up to midday, so you don’t have to argue the science over that anymore. You said “midday or later in the day”.

        No, not “later in the day” exactly for the reasons mentioned. Despite never actually saying you have to take it the moment you wake up.

        I can share my anecdotal experience though, which is that if you have to wake up 4 hours before dawn actually comes to go to work to drive people to buses and trains and then kids to school, I very much feel that vitamin D does perk me up in the morning. But with how large placebo is and how hard it is to quantify fatigue in general, that is purely anecdotal, not claiming it as any sort of evidence. But seems to help to wake up in a different way than caffeine, which basically just increases heartrate. (And no, that isn’t all it does, I’m exaggerating. That’s why I put down “basically”, because I don’t mean the sentence following it literally.)

        And no, I didn’t proofread this and am sure there are more mistakes in it as well. Typos mostly I think but I’m not above skipping a word on accident. Ambien is a helluva drug. Although I’m not yet on today. Or am I and just forgot I took some? Might be. I’ve noticed it’s not terribly good for my memory.

        Edit yeah in my first comment I did advice that if one supplements vitamin D, one shouldn’t probably do it in the evening. Then I exaggerated with comparing it to an antidote to melatonin to simplify the reason.

        And lo behold, here we are a half a dozen essays later talking about it so I could’ve prolly saved time by actually detailing the first answer, but I wasn’t assuming such prescription

        • LustyArgonian@lemmy.world
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          16 hours ago

          Jesus, I can tell by the length of this post it is a narcissistic reaction to shame of being corrected/wrong. Pathetic.

          You also can’t arbitrarily claim I’ve said something I’ve not said.

          You literally said it. I quoted it. It wasn’t arbitrary. Pathetic lol

          I didn’t skip any words, you did. When you wrote it. It’s been quoted.

          Look up denotative meaning. The denotative meaning and general meaning of morning is as previously described. I already explained it is a JOKE to say “Good morning” in the afternoon when someone wakes up, it is IRONY. It ONLY WORKS as a joke and irony BECAUSE it isn’t ACTUALLY morning.

          They don’t say THE morning, they say MY morning, as in, relative to them. Again, going off the ironic usage of this phrase. Further, we were NEVER talking about shift work.

          You started this off being randomly contrarian so you’re projecting there.

          If I call you stupid, or if I call you NOT stupid - that one little word makes a big difference, right? It’s like, words matter, I can’t just hallucinate what you mean. You have to say it, this is obvious and pathetic you are bellyaching about it.

          Again, no one said to give it in the evening.

          Gonna also tell you that Ambien causes dementia. If you are genuinely feeling confused, you may want to go to the doctor, not being a dick about it.

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            16 hours ago

            You literally said it. I quoted it. It wasn’t arbitrary. Pathetic lol

            Your brain read it as “at dawn” but there was never an “at” there. My brain just jumped over a few words. Just like you can find in most my comments from the past few hours most likely.

            There still isn’t an “at” before the “dawn” in either the comment I made nor in the quote where you quoted it.

            Read. It. Again.

            “best to take it dawn” because there never was an intention to put “at” there, you just assumed so, because it makes the most sense in that sentence, which lack the words “closer to”. Which I thought I put in there. Like I said several times.

            But yeah, about this pedanticism and being pissed off by being proved so utterly seriously wrong when you thought you were being smart? And repeatedly? Yeah. Not a good look on you. Ever heard of psychological projection?

            “Look up…”

            See, unconsciously projecting again. This is telling me you actually did need to Google th3 concepts I talked about. Why would I need to look up the word? The word in itself expresses what it means and the context you use it specifies it.

            It ONLY WORKS as a joke and irony BECAUSE it isn’t ACTUALLY morning.

            Oh no. It also works as a joke. I put that in there to clear it up for you. Clearly you’ve never worked a shift-job in your life. People occasionally, but most definitely use “morning” to refer to the point of the day when they woke up, even when it’s not even remotely close to dawn. And I’d like to see you try to prove my lived experience of using language in that way with other people as… not having happened? Saying it’s not how we used language? Or… trying to tell me I’m not allowed to use language like that?

            And yes, it’s “the morning”. As in “shit I almost couldn’t get up in the morning” not “shit I almost couldn’t get up in MY morning”. Lol.

            Sounds awfully like prescriptive linguistics. Something that doesn’t belong in the 21st century.

            Sooorry. ;>

            What specifically do you think I was being against in my first comment in this thread? Are we sure we’re not just using buzzwords we just learned, hmm…?

            Gonna also tell you that Ambien causes dementia. If you are genuinely feeling confused, you may want to go to the doctor, not being a dick about it.

            It’s a very well known fact. Late night hosts have been using it as a joke for like 30 years. Quite precisely actually. Came out in -92 and took a while before the celebs started having problems with them. Edit, well the acute memory loss part as a joke, that is. the actually causing dementia long term is fresher research

            Skipping a word or two when I write a Saturday might comment on a mobile while on the shitter is hardly a sign of anything to remotely worried for. Lol.

            I literally specifically agree with you in my first comment then add the info that if someone takes vitamin D, it probably shouldn’t be at night according to current, non-definitive, research. I begin the comment by saying “true”, lol.

            Perhaps check the definition of "contrarian* again, huh?

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              15 hours ago

              Lol!!! Please know I am not angry, I am laughing at you.

              Everything you said here was some cope, I think your ego and narcissism isn’t worth my time, the strawman arguments in there certainly aren’t.

              https://www.albert.io/blog/connotation-vs-denotation-understanding-word-choice/

              You were giving a denotative definition of morning originally, not a connotative one. This has nothing to do with prescribing language, but describing it. The ways we describe words can be connotative or denotative.

              Dawn is when the sun rises. Morning is when you rise.

              This isn’t true though, morning is more than that (and most peoplewould not give this definition for morning at all). If I say “tomorrow early morning,” or “at 5 in the morning” a night shift worker knows the time of day I am referencing. Further, night shift workers weren’t being discussed.

              You are absolutely projecting the contrarian thing.

              Btw the existence of the “at” does not change the meaning from “best take it dawn than dusk.” It means the same thing without the article.

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                You’re clearly spending a lot of time trying to avoid any and all mistakes, whereas I willfully admit to mine.

                You’re just spouting buzzwords now, tbh.

                You were mistaken. Several times. You imagined an “at” where there was none.

                This isn’t true though, morning is more than that

                Yeah the word has more meanings. Feel free to use it however you like, and if you hit on a popular way to use it, it might break into common usage.

                Shift workers use the word just like I said we did. What’s not to understand?

                If I say “tomorrow early morning,” or “at 5 in the morning” a night shift worker knows the time of day I am referencing

                Yes. Because language is descriptive, not prescriptive and they understand the context. Just like their coworkers would understand “oh shit, rough morning” when coming into work into a night shift wouldn’t prompt fellow coworker to ask “why, did you have trouble getting home?” because both night shift workers would share the ssme “clock”.

                That’s why you can literally use “literally” as emphasis, and it’s perfectly acceptable.

                You are absolutely projecting the contrarian thing.

                Kinda weird, seeing as most of my comments I’m admitting and agreeing with you, whereas you’re avoiding 90% the content I write, because you hate admitting to mistakes. I don’t, and that’s probably why I’m so much smarter.

                Might night dear ^^

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                  Seems like, you, as a narcissist, need to undo your shame from your mistake by claiming I did the same thing.

                  The “at” doesn’t change the meaning of the sentence (eg you are stupid vs you are not stupid). It isn’t equivalent, and wasn’t a direct quote - paraphrasing. Why did I paraphrase? Well, because I had JUST directly quoted you right above that. The section before it (iirc it was the previous sentence) was me quoting you exactly. And it was a correct paraphrase, because it didn’t change the meaning of the original statement. That’s why I wrote it, to emphasize the meaning of the original statement as it was written.

                  Because language is descriptive, not prescriptive and they understand the context.

                  Exactly, the context wasn’t shift workers. It was times of day. You actually admit to this by saying:

                  I say “morning” but 11-14 is basically my morning and I’m in Northern Europe.

                  This established your use of the word morning to mean the traditonal daily time, and that you use “my morning” to differentiate that. Then later you changed the definition. Further, I was emphasizing for others reading this about dawn/morning and vitamin D - and already explained that in relative time, vitamin D should be taken after you’ve moved around, due to how it works with calcium, osteocalcin, etc. You didn’t care to discuss the relative schedule though. Btw taking vitamin D when you haven’t had calcium can cause issues with your parathyroid. This is a big part of why I wouldn’t recommend it first thing.

                  https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/vitamin-d-and-calcium

                  I don’t hate admitting mistakes (more projection by you), I just think you’re wrong and fragile lol

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                    Projecting so hard.

                    What shame is there for me? I’ve admitted from the very first time you posted that quote which didn’t have “at” before “dawn” that my intention was always to write “closer to” in the sentence.

                    So then it becomes comparing “closer to dawn” to “at dawn” and those two are different, because never was there ever an intention to say “at dawn”. How do I know this? Because even in the comment I immediately reply to you, I say, “I said closer to dawn, not ‘at dawn’”, not realising I had indeed skipped wiring “closer” to.

                    I have no problems admitting to my mistakes, but you’re still avoiding the fact that you claimed there is an “at” in the original one, then thinking you wrote one when you copied it, when you in fact again just skipped a word and assumed it was there, which is basically the exact same brain fart my brain did when writing it.

                    Who cares about some small typo? You apparently. And you call me a contrarian, despite you disagreeing with literally everything I write, even when I write I’m agreeing with you, like I wrote from the very start.

                    as it was written

                    Yeah. As it was written. But you didn’t read it as it was written, you read it as “at dawn”, which shows from your incessant whining that you didn’t skip a word and you’re a flawless infallible princess.

                    the context wasn’t shift workers. It was times of day

                    So you don’t think shift workers have the ability to discuss time of day? You don’t think a word can be used in two different contexts? Is this honestly the first time you’ve even pretended to understand linguistics?

                    the traditonal daily time,

                    "MY norm is THE norm"

                    Kek go have some real world experience, pls.

                    Then later you changed the definition.

                    No, I used the same word to refer to a different thing. Half-jokingly, I might add, but you don’t seem to have a sense of humour, so wasted words.

                    And just because a thing is a joke doesn’t make it unacceptable use of language. Or are you trying to say I’m “not allowed to joke”? Bshh, I thought you couldn’t get more prescriptive but you’re just doubling down.

                    Further, I was emphasizing for others reading this about dawn/morning and vitamin D

                    No you weren’t. You INSTANTLY countered my “you probably shouldn’t take it at night” with “NUH-UH, YOU SHOULD TAKE IT AT MIDDAY OR LATER IN THE DAY.”

                    Because you’re a pathological contrarian who couldn’t help themselves before even checking the facts. Then when I slapped sourced studies to the table, you got ashamed of having been a lil bit pretentious, and started moving your goalposts and avoiding that you’ve made any mistakes, ever.

                    While I kept agreeing with a lot of what you said, (since I’m not a pathological contrarian,) you just keep avoiding admitting to having skipped a word whole reading. Ie you’re avoiding admitting to the exact thing I admitted to from the moment I noticed it.

                    See just how much better a person I am? ;>

                    I could say “the sky is blue” or “gravity works everywhere” or “the speed of light in a vacuum is fixed” and you’d still probably argue those points. Have you thought about CBT? I’ve a lovely therapist who I’ve been with for more than a year.

                    If you don’t hate admitting to mistakes, then you admit you misread my comment and then proceeded to misread it a couple times after, when you demanded “I haven’t skipped any words”

                    When you clearly have.

                    See. Me saying I said “closer to”, because I genuinely believed that, as it was my intention when writing it, which is why there is no “AT” there, is there? Despite you loudly proclaiming there is. Where is it?

                    Enjoy your day. ;>