• A_norny_mousse@feddit.org
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    22 hours ago

    It’s funny I remember thinking something similar in Germany a long time ago, about another politician: all those humorists, cartoonists etc. mocking him are basically just helping this conservative asshole win. Whether I was even right about that is one thing, but there’s a huge difference:

    He wasn’t threatening to crack down on every person against him or on every minority he chose, and he couldn’t have either because the system was working (at least way better than in the USA).

    Also they were mostly joking about his bad English and love for fatty traditional foods. What Steven Colbert does is a bit different.

    No, satire and such have an important place even in working democracies, but especially in a still young dictatorship.

    Also: what really is Steven Colbert’s power? Can’t he effect much more doing exactly what he’s doing?

    There are many ways to fight back. Don’t point your finger and say “you’re doing it wrong”. We’re on the same side after all.

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      22 hours ago

      Also: what really is Steven Colbert’s power?

      Steven Colbert has enormous power, because they can move culture, which is what they did when they were normalizing a rightwing framing of politics. People like Colbert, and even more so since his moving on from the character in question, has the ability to reach people and change their minds in a way almost no other people do. Yes it was satire, but in the times where it was relevant, it acted as an analgesic to the real threat which conservatism, and the fascism it inevitably leads to. By treating it as something only worth mocking and not worth taking as a serious threat, it softened the corner on conservatism as a movement, leading directly to where we are now.

      Political power extends from culture: Trump is the outcome of a right wing project to move the culture, and to a limited degree, Colbert contributed to that with his character.

      There are many ways to fight back. Don’t point your finger and say “you’re doing it wrong”. We’re on the same side after all.

      No. No your argument that we should self censure is part of the problem and mechanism that has resulted in the looming shadow of fascism taking over the planet. Colbert needs to have done better over the course of his career in understanding the impacts they had on culture and politics.

      • g0nz0li0@piefed.social
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        Satire is a means of leveraging humour to deliver often caustic criticism that might otherwise seem a bit on the nose. It’s been an effective tool of protest since at least the second millennium BC.

        It’s your opinion that criticising conservatives through satire empowers them, but it’s a very questionable conclusion IMO.

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          16 hours ago

          A lot of court jesters, would -be poets, playwrights, prophets etc lost their lives…

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        22 hours ago

        It’s not Colbert’s fault that 75% of the country is too stupid to understand satire.