What’s your go-to OSS navigation app? I’ve been trying the three in the title. CoMaps is a fork of Organic but Osm seems to be its own thing. Honestly haven’t seen a reason yet to prefer one over another besides Osm’s pretty bad name.

For public transit (trains buses etc) I use Transit, it’s not OSS but the company aligns strongly with me and I like that their employees get four-day workweeks: https://transitapp.com/vision However if there’s a OSS alternative I’m not aware of I’m always willing to try it.

For finding businesses I would not expect much… there seems to be no good answer that isn’t Yelp or Google Maps, and of course that kinda goes by the nature of crowd sourced reviews and information. I have GMaps WV but it’s kind clunky and I just ended up falling back to Maps unfortunately.

EDIT: Forgot to mention biking. I live in a not-so-bike friendly suburb and have actually found that Google gives me WORSE bike routes than OsmAnd, for what it’s worth. The OSM route tends to be more roundabout but safer. My guess is you get more urbanist minded people contributing to these, so that’s nice to see.

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    For off-road and hiking: (properly customized) OsmAnd is the best app in existence, hands down. My setup shows me all the information there is: surface type, road quality, required road clearance for tracks; surface, incline, difficulty, obstacles for trails; surface, vegetation, elevation, steepness for completely off-road/off-path sections; all the amenities that are there (water sources, picnic tables, random gas stations in the middle of nowhere); easily switchable and overlayed layers to look at aerial imagery if something is unclear on the vector map; and there is a 3D map to help visualize the terrain, which works both with vector maps from OSM, aerial imagery, and the combination of both (which has saved my ass on a couple occasions). All of this can be fully offline (including pre-downloading aerial imagery) which is indispensable when you’re in the middle of nowhere.

    I avoid driving in cities at all costs (out of principle, shout out https://lemmy.ml/c/fuck_cars, but also practicality). When I really have to, I use OsmAnd. It’s perhaps not ideal (way too much information density even if you disable most things) but I’m using it when I get there anyway so why switch.

    For walking in cities: OsmAnd is ok. I have a profile which disables most details and makes the map readable.

    For cycling: OsmAnd is ok, but for some reason routing always takes ages, and I’ve never figured out why. If I need to take a longer trip I just use CoMaps - it gives slightly worse directions but finds the way nearly instantly.

    For city transit: I mostly know the routes in my city already, but when I’m in an unfamiliar part of town I use the city’s transit app. It’s OSM-based, doesn’t require google play services or anything like that, provides great routing and instructions and live position updates. Sadly OsmAnd is not a good fit for this purpose: it takes forever to load the routes, and the coverage on OSM is not good enough to be 100% reliable.

    For inter-city transit: sadly it’s not too good here, and it’s very badly mapped; I tend to give up and resort to rome2rio. I can usually find a phone number of the bus driver to call and figure out the current schedule.

    For finding businesses I would not expect much… there seems to be no good answer that isn’t Yelp or Google Maps, and of course that kinda goes by the nature of crowd sourced reviews and information.

    This is where you can actually contribute yourself. Adding businesses to OSM is trivial with something like StreetComplete or EveryDoor. The OSM community is strong where I live so I can find almost any business I would want to visit.

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    How many people use Street Complete to fill in the details with Open Street Map? It is really nice to use on mobile.

    When I am in the office, I update Open Street Map during meetings. Gives me something to do, and I can look busy, or keep my hands occupied while I listen.

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      I use street complete, and two other apps. I also use the website to ad bigger additions or updates.

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    Not sure if most are aware of this, but unless you’ve got a totally de-googled phone, switching to another map makes no difference to Google if you’re on Android, as they get all of your displacements whichever map you may be using through the OS.

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      I desoldered the GPS antenna, replaced it with a 75 ohm resistor and am using a bluetooth gps receiver (a neo-n8m receiver and bluetooth serial).

      But I can’t figure out how to make OSMAnd read any of it to give me turn by turn navigation

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    My experience has been OSMAnd feels “heavy”. It is a large app but i guess there’s so much it just feels sluggish. But it has the most features which I use as my go to reference.

    Organic maps (and CoMaps) feels sleeker and quicker but when im on the road I want traffic updates.

    For the last few years my go to is Magic Earth for the traffic data.

    My issues with OSM is a lot of missing information and incorrect roads. I have contributed updates but when I’m driving and I come across something wrong there’s no way for me to flag it so i can revisit it later.

    All in all I’m still torn between them all and still waiting for the day one ticks all the boxes.

    More often than not I find I end up using Google Maps to get me out of a wrong or missing turn or to the final destination because finding places on OSM isn’t there yet. If OSM gets something wrong when I’m driving I don’t have time to faff around trying to fix it so GMaps takes over the rest of the way and I dislike having to do so

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      My issues with OSM is a lot of missing information and incorrect roads.

      I found the opposite to be true. There were whole sections of a few towns I have been in that had been built up quite a while ago, but google did not update them. I was surprised because enough people still use Google’s purchase of Waze to fill in the gaps. Apparently not so many were I have been.

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      I looked up Magic Earth because of your comment and was disappointed that you require either a Google Play account or an Apple account as the app has a €0.99 annual subscription. On the bright side, they have an FAQ that states they are working on an alternative. So, hopefully soon we will see that implemented.

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      Someone else had mentioned Magic Earth but I was under the impression that it was another big tech thing (I guess I was thinking of Google Earth) but you saying it again made me check it out.

      Seems like not OSS but their claim of privacy focus actually makes me interested so I’ll try it out! I’m even okay with the small fee, I know servers cost money to run. Glad to see they’re working on a non-Google or Apple payment.

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    Just to clarify, OSM is the acronym for Open Street Map, which is just the map/database

    OsmAND, comaps, and organicmaps are all apps/clients that use OSM as their source of map data, and add gps navigation functionality

    Comaps was forked recently cause there were some issues with organic maps being run in kind of a crummy way that wasn’t in line with the community, if I understand right. But I’m sure someone more knowledgeable could elaborate better

    I dunno if this clarification was needed or helpful but I figured I’d add it in case it’s of help :)

    I like the organic maps UI, and I have liked the OsmAND functionality, but I’m still working on transitioning away from google maps so I have limited perspective. I do know there’s an app that wraps the google maps website so you can use it without google servicesor whatever and potentially less risk of tracking, and that may be of use depending on your needs!

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      Oh I’m aware of the “Osm” meaning.

      I still think it’s a bad name 😅 how does someone unfamiliar with OSM pronounce it? Why is there a tilde?!

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        OSM is just pronounced open street map or as an acronym- O.S.M.

        The tilde isn’t from OSM, it’s from OsmAnd (the navigation app), and I thing it’s used to communicate whether you’re running the version from f-droid, or the play store version? I agree that’s confusing and makes for an awkward name though

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    Yesterday I had a nice moment watching my SO use CoMaps for the first time via my phone. I was driving, so couldn’t mess with adding an intermediate stop to the navigation, and she did it instead.

    Anyhow, she’s literally never used the app before, and quickly found the business listing and added it to nav. I mean, she’s a smart person so her competence is not a surprise, but it speaks well of CoMaps and OSM that someone who is used to using Google Maps exclusively for years could just pick up this FOSS app and do what she needed painlessly.

    It’s encouraging to me to see how increasingly nice an experience it is to be able to not use Google or Apple maps at all these days.

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    I too have found myself in the same boat, especially because Google Maps is probably (for my life) their best product. I was in the early contributor beta and have been pretty consistent in leaving reviews over the last 10+ years (although the offers for comp’d dinners have disappeared) - I’ve made an effort to be better, I have CoMaps on my phone, and I’ve started contributing to OSM. I think what would really seal the deal for me to shift completely would be integrated reviews. As you said, google and yelp have the market cornered for that, but there is no transparency.

    edit: that transit app website is the worst marketer crap I have ever stepped in, scrolled so many fucking pages of artistic empty-words and vision speak and still have NO FUCKING CLUE what the app does. JFC.

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      edit: that transit app website is the worst marketer crap I have ever stepped in, scrolled so many fucking pages of artistic empty-words and vision speak and still have NO FUCKING CLUE what the app does.

      I have to concur. They probably hired some kind of marketing guy that convinced them it had to be done that way.

      At least it’s from Canada and not the US…

      That being said, I’m not going to use it. I’ll just rely on my local public transportation’s app. The whole thing is financed by the region (transport ticket sales only account for a small part of the cost of the whole thing, as is the case in most places), so I’m ok with it…

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      The transit app is for public transit. Trains buses etc. I probably should have specified sorry!

      But yeah there really isn’t a way around reviews I think I’m going to have to come to peace with that.

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        No let me apologize I was overly harsh on that criticism.

        yeah there really isn’t a way around reviews

        I think it’s just too valuable to stay open and free, someone will always want to monetize (from the business, the reviewers, the ‘pop up’ order on the map, etc)

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          I know there’s a lot of legal areas open source apps have to stay out of, like the reason none of these open source maps have good points of interest databases is because they can’t just import in what google has, for legal reasons. But I feel like for reviews you should be able to click a checkbox that says ‘show google reviews’ or something for the end user, and just webscrapes it on demand for the business you’re looking at.

          Even better, there should be an anonymous torrent or something of both POI databases and reviews that you can import into the apps as an end user. That way the app creators are legally protected ‘our app doesn’t directly give the end user google owned data’ but the end user just searches google finds the db file and imports it. Boom! Win/win

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            Yeah not bad, I’m sure you could use federated login to allow the users’ personal google acct to hit the maps api and pull reviews. But yelp/google/amzn/etc all manipulate ratings and reviews behind the scenes without any transparency which is a deeper problem and why I am always critical of reviews in general. But like I said, if you and I created an OSS review plugin/service for use in OSS maps, it wouldn’t be long before it was corrupted in some regard… somehow. Cynical I know but the review data is just so damn JUICY to everyone.

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    I’ve had a decent go with guru maps, which uses osm as the backend, I believe. All routing is done locally on your phone, so it can be hit or miss depending on your connection. Searching for anything besides an actual street address sucks. Oftentimes I’ll plug in an address, and then it will pop up the name of the business there, but searching for the business first never works. Just like on osm, it always seems to end up finding some city in europe that has a name sort of similar.

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    I have comaps installed but overall I don’t think it matters a great deal which open street maps app you use, they’re all really similar. I try to contribute business info when I remember to do so but there doesn’t seem to be any yelp/google business equivalent. Need something that hosts user reviews and pictures and some way to moderate that in a decentralized enough community way. Can’t beat Google maps without the business pages and crowd sourced data

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    Is there any OSM client that includes traffic. Living in a large metropolitan area in the US I need traffic info.

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    Using any of them on a de-googled phone is pretty bad since the FOSS text-to-speech offerings are really primitive. Stephen Hawking could make fun of them for sounding robotic. Theyre pretty bad.

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    I’m using OsmAnd and I’m happy with it. I can find food stores, petrol stations and restaurants. No need for reviews, life’s an adventure.

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    I’ve been contributing business hours and websites to OSM via CoMaps for a few weeks now. OSM needs that as a minimum to make it viable over Google Maps for me. Business discovery with Google Maps will be a huge challenge to match; Google is able to trawl its huge database of reviews for keywords so I can search “vegan cinnamon roll” and get results.

    I use Transit App for bus schedules and routing.

    CoMaps car/bike/walk/hike navigation has worked pretty well for me, but the turn by turn directions and voice are not as good as Google Maps. I’ve also been finding Google Maps routes are becoming laughably bad and it really irritates me I have to review a route before taking it now. Google keeps trying to route me through alleys and other dumb zig zag paths lately.