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Something interesting to me is how the left takes these things on the chin. In these comments there are lots of comments like “yea well they all do this”. Compare that to the right during covid who would take screenshots and make sure everybody knew this was happening and not only that it was happening but how this would lead to dystopian authoritarian rule that threaten each and every person. I see this over and over again with each and every opportunity to show people how bad things are getting. But instead we snuff out these things ourselves and just move along.
The left have no bite. They are all bark
Can we make this character be the face of leftists from now on. Because its most of you.
Compare that to the right during covid who would take screenshots
Be more specific. Do you mean how sites were taking down covid conspiracies that were getting people killed?
Also, these sites aren’t free speech platforms. They’re advertisement platforms. They should be burnt to the ground.
Yes because the right mobilized and overwhelmed the sites with complaints. Add to this the mass cancelling that created panic in any celebrity made them all support each other. So now you had Joe Rogan bringing Zuckerberg on and really drilling home how problematic the left was and how they needed to stop it. The left went full toxic ex girlfriend. They were keying cars and lighting fires everywhere and never understood why nobody wanted to associate with them.
I never saw any cars getting keyed near me. I actually don’t have any political messaging on my truck because I’m worried about my mirrors getting smashed though. I think you’re living in a fantasy world created by your social media bubble.
They were getting whipped up and manipulated. A lot of that shit you are talking about was not organic. A lot of the shit you are talking about was pure paranoid mass delusion. A moral panic just like a classic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penis_panic. It’s a feature of the left that such things DON’T spread the same way.
Yes I agree with what you’re saying. But the left has to adapt or its finished. For all the talk of intelligence and how dumb the right are goes out the window. That’s because even with the money and the power, the people on the right had enough awareness to know when to lean into something even if they didn’t agree and when to pull back. The left do not. People keep saying they don’t understand how people can ignore Trump’s dumb bullshit. It’s because they don’t actually like Trump. The left doing understand this. Trump is giving them victory after victory. It’s not about Nazi or fascism or any of that. It’s about winning. The left have placed to many barriers to winning that something basic like Gavin Newsom mocking Trump is seen as amazing. That should have been the approach 10 years ago. Instead people focused too much on calling him a racist directly. You have to show not tell.
There hasn’t been a meaningful left among your country’s ruling class in a very long time.
Check out Mr. Militant over here. You’re doing your part by moaning on Lemmy. Well done you. Be the change.
100% more effort than anything else going on with Lemmy or leftist.
The left are so anti left that they’re regressing so rapidly that women can’t even get an abortion anymore. Their excuse is “money”. The actually cause is that the average leftist is dumber then the average person on the right. They’re on average less effective. The past decade is more than enough proof of this. I don’t care what you’re going to reply with because I know it’ll be some sassy comment to make you feel better. But it’s not going to change fuck all. The left is fucking cooked.
They censor everything, also pro abortion posts get removed
All platforms are just becoming censorship hellholes for the owners.
One more reason the leave this digital sh*thole - if empathy is going to be restricted, it is simply not wanted on these platforms… 😔
Thank you good sir, i almost had to read a potty word. Thanks for making the internet great and save again.
Hopefully we make it „safe“. 🫢
Why not work with each other to find ways to get around these things and overwhelm the platform. Like remember when people found that AI put guardrails in. People were not on these comments saying "well guys we should pack it up and leave it alone, I don’t like it anyways. No, instead the collective effort to get it to say something mean was incredible. So why is it with this stuff we convince each other to leave and let these platforms be run by the right wing people. You ever ask why there’s a difference?
There ARE alternatives already and lots of great people are working on these platforms - but as long as everyone stays there „just because of…“, things won‘t change even with these options.
If great things are cloaked under a warning or a NSFW-label for no real reason, it‘s of course up to everyone to choose a different path - but this means losing followers etc. pp. - and embarking on a new platform.
So yes, we can overwhelm this platform - but do people really want this? I‘m not sure. 🤷🏼♂️
So how do you promote the new platforms if we all left?
Nobody on the right stops to ask if people want them. I mean Reddit was pretty left leaning. Now it isn’t. So what does it matter if they want you there.
It takes 10% of a group to change the views of 100% of the group. The right knew this and strategically targeted smaller sub Reddit’s before moving to bigger ones. I called this out in 2015. You could see smaller local subs shift. Then those fed into the larger city ones and then eventually the larger ones like r/Canada saw big shifts. They did this everywhere. The left has never understood this tactic I don’t know why. It was so obvious from the start.
“We use technology or a review team to identify content that should be covered,” a notice obscuring the post reads. “This post doesn’t go against our Community Standards, but may contain images that some people might find upsetting.”
Yeah, I bet.
“What the f**k, Instagram?” a Bluesky user wrote.
k.
“We can say ‘fuck’,” this lemmy user wrote.
Yeah, everyone should stop using Instagram, Facebook, threads, reddit, tik tok. But the FOMO is too strong. It’s too bad, if they did it would fix most of their problems in like a week.
I’m actively working on moving on from Facebook. The amount of false information on the platform is just astounding and when you report the lies, you just get a response saying it doesn’t break any rules. Not even talking politics here, there was deceptive AI post about two top tennis players, that I reported.
Why is the leftist approach is to platform the opposition while the rights approach is to overwhelm the space until it does what they want?
Which approach do you think is working and which one do you think is failing?
Which approach do you think requires more money and cooperation from the network management?
Neither.
Both sides have money. In fact the left has much more money than the right.
We’re not even talking about big money here. The average right leaning person will give a dollar to any thing they agree with. The left mull over the morality and ethics of a thing until it passes then they say “well I would punch a Nazi if I ever needed to” but they can’t even muster the energy to read a comment they disagree with.
Look at the donations given to random assholes who said something anti vaccination. Millions of donating poured in. Look at that women that yelled racial slurs at kids in a park. Millions.
I saw Jon Stewart posted here the other day and the comments were calling him a fascist.
We’re fucking done.
Exactly.
Okay, now do religion.
Everyone should stop going to churches, synagogues, mosques, the church of latter day saints, and scientology. But the FOMO and fear of eternal damnation is too strong. It’s too bad, if they could just realize that everything is god including themselves, they could live happier more fulfilling lives in like a week.
Wayyy ahead of you.
I’m so far ahead of you I’m actually behind you.
People don’t really go to services for god or salvation, they do it for community.
I stopped going to church because the community was composed of rank hypocrites and bigots. I can have communal spaces elsewhere.
100 percent true. After many long years of observation and philosophical debates with myself, this was the logical conclusion I came to.
Most of those who visit th se “holy places” do so for the community and rarely for any actual religious reason.
Alright, the only way we can defeat religion is with cookouts and community events
It won’t work. Everything gets monetized and marketed till it’s soulless and drug-like.
Everything…
much more likely than with logical debates online, I’d say
That’s what happens when you sukk the zukk
It’s time for Pixelfed!
My wife is very progressive and believes in human rights. Her Facebook feed went conservative about a week ago now with constant right wing propaganda.
FB has been normally Right wing propaganda arm for ru, for like a decade. i think they might have ramped it up. plus AI bots are probably running the site anyways.
Truth, I was in the boy to alt-right pipeline cause Facebook targets literally everybody with these obtrusive ads and logic void arguments that cause brain rot. I was 15 going on hate crime because a popular Facebook post told me I was an alpha, ten years before this beta/alpha shit hit the mainstream. I’m a much more reserved adult but I’m so depressed my family still takes part in social media. I feel like I don’t have friends because I’m not on insta like what hell did we turn into
She’s not very progressive if she uses Facebook.
I have asked her to get off of Facebook for awhile, but she is reluctant because her whole family uses it as their primary form of communication.
I ditched Facebook finally during COVID. I had already known it was a garbage platform, but I was feeling similarly because a lot of people I knew used it. The same thing happened to my feed though and I started getting a ton of anti-vax content.
What was worse is because I am pro-health and medical technology I advocated for people to be safe. I started getting death threats by friends of friends. I was flabbergasted and decided to delete my account then and there. If Facebook could turn people anti-vax and pro-murder I had to leave.
Progressives don’t go to Nazi bars.
Big tech has gone full fascist for a bit now
How else you get big bucks from sellimg surveillance tech to the state? Not with principled politicians.
With literally no tech opposition from the left
It’s almost as though most of the techbros are fascists who read about half of Atlas Shrugged and think it makes them smart.
The left had so many things they hated that the right manipulated them into cancelling every single celebrity with a skeleton in their closet. This made all of the terrified. At the same time the right showed they will defend and enrich anyone who even looks their way. The left alienated everyone they could, the right embraced them and offered a safe space. This isn’t complicated. It isn’t Atlas Shrugged. It’s basic human nature and social awareness. The left bought right into so many poisoned apples.
I read through the comments. Literally someone below is even saying “Tech bros are all fascist sympathizers”. I like tech. Do I now say fuck the left because that’s me I like tech and therefore I am a fascist sympathizer? Like its unreal how the left labels things and then has no awareness why they have lost people who traditionally would have been leaning left. I don’t think there ever will be any self awareness on this either.
I can’t imagine the mentality of walking around and saying everything and everyone is a piece of shit and then at the end of the day going “why is nobody supporting me”. People are not fascist or Nazis or whatever because they are helping Trump. They just hate all of you. A lot of the world does.
Sure, but what? All the tech-savvy Americans are fascist sympathizers? No actually bright and plugged-in people in the tech world?
Fascist techbros were already somewhere between wealthy and ultra wealthy.
There are plenty of non-fascist tech-savvy Americans, they just don’t control Scrooge McDuck amounts of money.
Breaking things online isn’t expensive. The asymmetry is the point. In the digital arena, knowledge scales faster than money.
Organize. Identify fascist sympathizing corporations, organizations, churches, NPOs- infrastructure disruption, financial sabotage, data exposure…
Even for those who aren’t “hackers,” why is there not a massive indimidation campaign against MAGA trash? Catfish, get receipts, out cheaters, perverts, and pedos to their families and communities. Find the “apolitical” folks who LARP like Nazis on Twitter. Share their Nazi shit with their employers.
All the tech-savvy Americans
No, just techbros.
Okay so… everyone else is just… allowing it? Nobody going on the offense? Obviously Americans have no stomach for the violence that WILL be necessary- so what’s the excuse for the total lack of cyberwarfare?
It’s really disturbing seeing social media start leaning this way. It’s very obvious controlled fascist propaganda. Have you seen what Twitter is now? It’s actually creepy and insane.
Remove yourself from algo driven sites, set up an rss reader and hand pick your media, subcribe to newsletters of trustworthy media sites, delete useless apps from your phone or better jailbreak it and install graphene, get an e-reader secondhand and start reading etc etc.
This is how everything works under capitalism.
Capitalism? Are these paid services? This is bribery. They are getting something from the government for pushing their agenda.
They are paid services. The ad companies pay the services for access to the services resources.
Yep. Has been since before I was born. I don’t know if it’s ever been this blatantly obvious before. But I guess it always seems that way when you’re living through it.
When will we get over the corpo social media
I asked that before it started.
Here we are.
Instagram is Facebook so no surprise there.
facebook= propaganda arm of russia in the US for boomers, and a site filled with bots.
Welcome to China.
Facebook is a privately owned company that is responsible for their own actions.
Classic
Legal immigrants who have something to offer and dont expect handouts can make a country great.
Correct.
In addition, illegal immigrants that spend their dollars on the local economy, pay taxes without taking from the social security pots and do low wage jobs locals don’t want to do also make a country great.
If people receive low wages to do a job that no one wants to do, sorry but it isnt a great country.
Basically the entire food industry from farm to table is exploited for their value and profit. Hell I worked for a cafe for the last 5 years with shit base pay because the money hungry owners don’t give a flying fuck if I can afford an apartment much less food or medicine. lol I didn’t even get an acknowledgement when I burned my arm on the oven and it left lasting marks. We need unions across sectors and industries for workers right but thats a slim chance of happening
You mean the app that’s run by a fascist and that promotes genocide? I’m shocked. SHOCKER!!! \s
(Seriously use Pixelfed instead, even if only partially for support.)
Pixelfed is dead just like mastadon . Loops was the only hope but someone on dbzero said loops is also fucked
I don’t know about Pixelfed but I’m pretty active on Mastodon and I get enough engagement there. I’d say it compares to Instagram like Lemmy compares to reddit.
By that same logic, Lemmy is dead, so what are you doing here?
No it’s not . You replied people reply is the proof but on pixelfed their are no replies. Dead area
Maybe your photos are just shit. I get engagement. Which, by the EXACT FUCKING STANDARD that you just used, PROVES it’s not dead.
So… If you think that wonder what you could do about it? If only there was somewhat to get involved and make a difference…
i dont want to do mastdon and its clones like planora or something is a failed experiment to copy what x / twitter did . to make that type of layout to work there need to be a lot more stuff and the big problem is people will always see new stuff instead of reddit like layout where people also see old stuff and thats why lemmy survived and mastadon did not
mastodon isn’t dead.
Ofcourse it has users but no replies make it dead
