Even with the caveats about limited data and untangling causation and correlation, the statistics are striking: the first year of a scheme in Wales where the speed limit on urban roads was lowered to 20mph resulted in about 100 fewer people killed or seriously injured.
The 2023 figures (the latest ones and which had the 20mph change) also changed the way the statistics were gathered.
They state
It is likely that KSI collisions and casualties in 2023 are affected by Dyfed Powys police force migrating to Crash. This is further discussed in our quality report.
(KSI is “Killed or seriously injured”. Crash is the new collection method)
100 people is about a 10% variance. To call that “striking” when there’s also a change in record keeping is bullshit. You need more data.
In my home town ALL roads are 30kph, and like 50% of the intersections are roundabouts. The result is traffic just continuously flowing and you arrive much faster than before with the roads at 50kph. Other side effects are less gasoline use, less pollution from gas and tires, less accidents, less noise, basically less bad and more good.
Add to that the great cycle and walking infrastructure and yeah, of course I’m talking about the Netherlands
Queue the replies with "but you could nevah do this in [Canada | United States | England | Mexico | Russia | China | whatever] because [too cold | too many mountains | too large distances | whatever]
By that logic we need to lower it down to 1kmh so we’re going to arrive to the destination even faster
So you’re 8 years old, I take it?
There is a big possibility that you might struggle with sarcasm
There is a big possibility that you need to get a dictionary and look up the definition of sarcasm. Maybe take a course on it?
To be fair in NL a lot of people ignore the speed limits if the road invites you to drive faster (not enough traffic calming stuff). Not a lot and still driving safely but for example there’s this huge straight road near my house that they changed to 30 recently but didn’t make any changes to the infrastructure and pretty much everyone still drives 50 on it. Also on highways it’s 100 everywhere during the day but you see a lot driving 110/120 where there’s no speed control.
Having driven in like 20 different countries, believe me, in NL traffic is calm and most people obeynthe limits quite nicely
Oh yeah definitely the Dutch are docile drivers, if a bit distracted… It wasn’t my point that they’re crazy drivers, just a bit over the limit if you don’t force it on them through infrastructure. Nothing compared to other countries for sure. Their biggest pitfall is their love for just hanging 20cm behind you regardless of the roads you’re on, the speed you’re going or anything else really, they don’t even want to overtake most the time, they just like hanging out right behind the car in front.
Look you don’t understand I need to speed so I can get suck on traffic faster. It allows me to get to my destination earlier (I don’t care what proof you have that it doesn’t). Nothing else matters.
I will not be taking questions, just getting mad at people for not having common sense.
Go fuck yourself.
I’m all for survival of the fittest. If people are too stupid to stay on the pavement, it’s on them. Why let drivers suffer to protect those idiots that blindly run into traffic?
Maybe we should ban ALL cars to get traffic related injuries to 0… 🤦♂️
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