• paequ2@lemmy.today
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    Browsers I tried yesterday (on Linux):

    • Zen: neat, but the UI is too different for my taste
    • Floorp: also neat, but features I don’t use
    • Waterfox: sweet spot for me

    Librewolf and Waterfox seem pretty similar on paper. I went with Waterfox cuz idk. So far, Waterfox seems to be a drop-in replacement. I haven’t noticed any problems with websites and haven’t run into any bugs.

    One note about Waterfox is that I would have liked if it was added to the official Arch Linux repos. I installed fine with the AUR, but still.

    Bonus: Waterfox is available on Android! 🥳

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      Zen: is Firefox

      Floorp: is Firefox

      Waterfox: is Firefox

      Librewolf: is Firefox

      They are all dependent on Mozilla and its choices.

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        There is some degree of independence. For example, if Mozilla releases some super evil patch tomorrow, I’m pretty sure everyone would just patch it out immediately. In fact, this is what most derivatives seem to do, patch out the ad/telemetry stuff.

        But yeah, these are all modified Firefox browsers. Hopefully, nobody was thinking these were unique, new, browsers.

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        There is currently no comptetive engine that isn’t owned/developed by a big company. Ladybird is slowly getting there, but it’s gonna take a while. Until then gecko engine is OK for now. It’s all opensource so we know when that’s no longer the case.

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          Ladybird’s communications are locked to proprietary, ‘enshittified’ platforms in Discord & GitHub.

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    Isn’t one of the point of the phenom of enshifitication that it’s near ubiquitous? The reason it can continue is because it reached a critical mass, leaving us few workable alternatives, like a symptom of monopolization. I’d wager some companies feel like they won’t survive if they don’t keep up, not sure if that assessment is true but I bet many think it is.

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      Enshitified product exists - > good alternative arises to meet demand - > good alternative becomes popular - > good alternative either becomes enshitified to maximize profits or is purchased by owner of original enshitified product.

      The capitalist way.

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      The proton CEO praised Donald Trump’s choice for who would lead the government’s antitrust division, and now most of Lemmy think they’re a Nazi company or something.

      Just typical cancel culture bullshit. Where people choose to be outraged rather than attempting to understand a situation.

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        Yeah I agree it’s been an extreme reaction. Perfect is the enemy of good. Maybe most proton users will be willing to seek out even lesser known alternatives and even self host. But if you’re going to talk to a casual user about getting off of Gmail and then you say “Oh but not Proton” then they’re just going to stick with Gmail.

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        🤦 To be expected, at this point.

        The loyalty the left expects from others but never gives in return is truly a sight to behold. Essentially it boils down to “agree with everything they say and if you disagree with one thing, keep it to yourself or else you’re a nazi.”

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      Their Swiss CEO decided that supporting an authoritarian American neo nazi regime was a good idea

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      Nothing. The CEO dared to congrat someone (Trump) that other people (including myself) heavily dislike from the wrong account. So, tolerant and rational people want to cancel him and his company.

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        I’m sorry but what possible positive can you find in Proton doing that?

        In what universe does his kissing the feet of that dicator equate to us keeping our lives private?

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          Whatever, guys. I don’t care about Proton, I don’t care about it’s CEO, I don’t care about Trump (quite the opposite, actually). Be enraged on every little shit and don’t forget to ask even the grocery guy about his political preference. Maybe you’re giving money to someone supporting Trump or his local equivalent. The internet and its virtue signaling is becoming increasingly annoying these days.

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    What about Proton? If you mean the fiasco a few weeks back then that’s a false alarm where the internet just went apeshit over an innocent remark.

    Edit: From what I’ve seen from these replies, it’s all false alarms and nothing actually implicates Proton here. A Swiss company is not obligated to put up a disclaimer saying Trump bad every time they want to talk about American politics (which they only do so far as it pertains to their privacy mandate).

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        The article says they were literally forced to comply with the request by Swiss Law as the request went through the proper legal channels.

        They also only disclosed the accounts recovery email address. Everything else was obtained by Apple.

        Why is reading sources so hard for people?

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          Because it’s much easier to get angry about misleading headlines. Comprehension is difficult.

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          the report came through channels which made them assume it was serious like terrorism. It was a request not a court order. why is reading so hard for people

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            You just flat out made that up. The Spanish police (federal police its not clear) made a request through the legal channels under their terrorism laws.

            Whether or not it is terrorism is absolutely not up to Proton or any other business to decide, they just have to comply with the laws of the land in which they operate - in this case, Switzerland.

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        The blog post where they talk about privacy being a non-partisan issue that effects people everywhere on the political spectrum, and warn the reader that Donald Trump is going to have effectively no checks on his power?

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          Yes, the one where they talk about this not being Trumps fault even though he is the fucking president and about all terror the right experienced under the previous administrations