And people are free to call out how creepy it is, as well as the people defending a child orgy scene.
And that’s just one instance of kid sex in King’s books… You gonna defend the scene from The Library Policeman where King describes a young boy being raped in graphic detail too?
I disagree, this is more of a “Hey, why the hell is this in here when it has nothing to do with the story and does nothing for the plot? What does this say about the author?” kind of discussion. It’s like when people call out the fact that the goblin dudes in Harry Potter are clearly racist depictions of Jewish people, it’s weird and says a lot about the author. Are we saying to ban Harry Potter? No, read it if you want to (just don’t pay for it) but keep in mind that the author is a terrible person.
Point to a single person calling for a book ban. Go on.
We have all known that the book contains this scene for years. And yet, none of us are calling for bans. One person made a tongue in cheek rhetorical question as a joke, and then a bunch of people came in to defend their beloved child orgy scene. We’re just calling you freaks out for defending your beloved child orgy scene so adamantly, because you love child orgies. It’s weird.
Not defending a book. Calling out shitty arguments. Couldn’t give two shits about scary clown book. Care a lot about people using shit arguments that can be weaponized by bad actors.
You’re literally in here calling people pedophiles for suggesting that there may be some literary context to something that makes people uncomfortable.
Sorry buddy, you can’t gaslight me. The people I called pedophiles were being such vile, open pedophiles that their comments got removed. Because they were being pedophiles.
I don’t think there is much of any kind of literary context that can defend writing multiple pages of children having sex in graphic detail, especially in a book where the sexual abuse of children is not a primary theme, nor anything regarding child sexuality being a major theme of the book. It literally just takes a turn from “children scared of scary clown” to “the 11 year olds all decide they Must pressure their friend into a gangbang so they won’t die virgins” and then moves on from it entirely as if it never happened. The context of the story is entirely unchanged if you remove the scene, as we can tell from EVERY adaptation of the book into film.
If it was one or two instances, maybe. But there are a bunch of these scenes, to the point it feels like a pattern.
I’ve read King’s books all my life so don’t take this as an axe to grind. But you can’t deny that there are a lot of these scenes, and I’d argue it’s still really fucking creepy on its own.
And people are free to call out how creepy it is, as well as the people defending a child orgy scene.
And that’s just one instance of kid sex in King’s books… You gonna defend the scene from The Library Policeman where King describes a young boy being raped in graphic detail too?
This thread is giving serious “depicting something in fiction is the same as promoting it” conservative book-banning vibes.
I disagree, this is more of a “Hey, why the hell is this in here when it has nothing to do with the story and does nothing for the plot? What does this say about the author?” kind of discussion. It’s like when people call out the fact that the goblin dudes in Harry Potter are clearly racist depictions of Jewish people, it’s weird and says a lot about the author. Are we saying to ban Harry Potter? No, read it if you want to (just don’t pay for it) but keep in mind that the author is a terrible person.
Point to a single person calling for a book ban. Go on.
We have all known that the book contains this scene for years. And yet, none of us are calling for bans. One person made a tongue in cheek rhetorical question as a joke, and then a bunch of people came in to defend their beloved child orgy scene. We’re just calling you freaks out for defending your beloved child orgy scene so adamantly, because you love child orgies. It’s weird.
Can’t help you there, haven’t read it.
And nobody said anyone’s calling for bans- I’m saying I’m seeing people make the same arguments made by reactionaries to justify bans.
Point to those arguments. Go on.
Why are you stepping in to defend a book you haven’t read from a strawman argument that people aren’t making?
Not defending a book. Calling out shitty arguments. Couldn’t give two shits about scary clown book. Care a lot about people using shit arguments that can be weaponized by bad actors.
Reading comprehension. Get some.
Which arguments?
You’re literally in here calling people pedophiles for suggesting that there may be some literary context to something that makes people uncomfortable.
Sorry buddy, you can’t gaslight me. The people I called pedophiles were being such vile, open pedophiles that their comments got removed. Because they were being pedophiles.
I don’t think there is much of any kind of literary context that can defend writing multiple pages of children having sex in graphic detail, especially in a book where the sexual abuse of children is not a primary theme, nor anything regarding child sexuality being a major theme of the book. It literally just takes a turn from “children scared of scary clown” to “the 11 year olds all decide they Must pressure their friend into a gangbang so they won’t die virgins” and then moves on from it entirely as if it never happened. The context of the story is entirely unchanged if you remove the scene, as we can tell from EVERY adaptation of the book into film.
If it was one or two instances, maybe. But there are a bunch of these scenes, to the point it feels like a pattern.
I’ve read King’s books all my life so don’t take this as an axe to grind. But you can’t deny that there are a lot of these scenes, and I’d argue it’s still really fucking creepy on its own.