I just knew the comments were going to be us tearing each other apart.
I’m just thinking out loud here. What if Progressives that are registered as Democrats changed their registration to independent? Also, stop sending them your money. We could organize it to happen over one week. Then keep it that way for 30 days. See how much power we truly have. If we can show the Democratic party that they would never win another election without us, maybe they would be more likely to listen.
We have to be careful though, I know this President is running roughshod over the Constitution with the blessing of SCOTUS and Congress but they don’t have enough votes or State legislatures to amend the Constitution. If they get that, then that truly is the end of this experiment.
I just knew the comments were going to be us tearing each other apart.
That’d be point of re-re-re-rehashing this. Zohran Mamdani, using the big S word, recently won a primary. So now we all gotta go back and drag through this mud some more.
You can’t play Mexican standoff because the Dems have an out: the center voter. If they left doesn’t vote them in, the Dems will go to the center to find voters. And a center voter is worth double because it’s a vote for you plus a vote taken away from the GOP.
She looked at Biden who did left things and what did that get him? Lose the house for years 3 and 4. And polls showed he was going to lose. Aka the left never showed up even after getting some left things.
Harris ran on women’s rights, mf’ing democracy, and while she didn’t say it it was clear there would be continuation of student debt relief, green energy, EVs, infrastructure, etc. But it didn’t work because “it’s the economy, stupid”. The left couldn’t even show up for their own human rights.
I’m just thinking out loud here. What if Progressives that are registered as Democrats changed their registration to independent? Also, stop sending them your money. We could organize it to happen over one week. Then keep it that way for 30 days. See how much power we truly have. If we can show the Democratic party that they would never win another election without us, maybe they would be more likely to listen.
I mean, honestly, if you manage to coordinate action on that scale, you’re probably better off either attempting to take over the Dems or start a third party entirely.
We have to be careful though, I know this President is running roughshod over the Constitution with the blessing of SCOTUS and Congress but they don’t have enough votes or State legislatures to amend the Constitution. If they get that, then that truly is the end of this experiment.
Next election isn’t for a year and a half, and there’s no guarantee that it’ll mean anything. If you want to try anything radical in electoral terms, now’s definitely the time to do so. The chances of failure substantially changing our position is… low, unlike previously.
We just saw Progressives not voting for Harris, which lost her the election. The Democrats ignored that.
The good part is that the Democrats have no plan right now. So if anything Progressives should register to primary in better candidates. Also donations, but to individual candidates. This is why New York mattered so much. If Progressives can win, then it is a huge problem for the neoliberals.
Nope. That’s not what happened in 2024. This is victim blaming. Progressives did not cause Harris to lose. Progressives refused to go full Orwell and pretend that Harris was the messiah. They had no problem speaking out about her failures and trying to get her to do better. But in the end, progressives still turned out to vote for her. Harris didn’t even lose because people stayed home. If the voter turnout had been higher Trump would have done even better.
Biden won in 2020 because of two key reasons. First, he had covid helping him. Second, he adopted a lot of policies popular with the working class that would provide direct support to the embattled working and middle classes. Harris abandoned this path and only offered paltry heavily means-tested wonkish tax credits for a handful of people. She certainly wasn’t running on something like Medicare for All.
Yes, progressives shat on Harris in a lot online discussions; she was a deeply flawed candidate. A lot of liberals took a more Orwellian bent, wanting to censor any and all criticism of her. They forget that responding to criticism is the fire that forges strong candidates. Instead they shielded her from criticism, and it just made her look weak.
Harris lost because her policies were so uninspiring that she couldn’t appeal to enough low-engagement voters to get her over the top. The politically active people on the left who spend time talking politics on social media? Yeah, they held their nose and voted for Harris. Her status on Gaza cost her a lot of Muslim votes, but Muslims aren’t hardly a reliably progressive voter base. If it weren’t for the right’s raging Islamophobia, most practicing Muslims would naturally be Republicans. It’s only the right’s historic Islamophobia that gives Democrats any chance with Muslim voters. Naturally, the religious conservatism of most Muslims should fit right in with Republican values. And predictably, as Harris chose to run a campaign leaning in to Islamophobia, Muslim voters found little reason to support her. Resisting Islamophobia is one of the few reasons most Muslims have to support Democrats. If Democrats aren’t going to resist Islamophobia, then Muslims might as well support the party that aligns with more of their beliefs.
I just knew the comments were going to be us tearing each other apart.
I’m just thinking out loud here. What if Progressives that are registered as Democrats changed their registration to independent? Also, stop sending them your money. We could organize it to happen over one week. Then keep it that way for 30 days. See how much power we truly have. If we can show the Democratic party that they would never win another election without us, maybe they would be more likely to listen.
We have to be careful though, I know this President is running roughshod over the Constitution with the blessing of SCOTUS and Congress but they don’t have enough votes or State legislatures to amend the Constitution. If they get that, then that truly is the end of this experiment.
Every single independent that I know guzzled down the Orange Kool-Aid.
That’d be point of re-re-re-rehashing this. Zohran Mamdani, using the big S word, recently won a primary. So now we all gotta go back and drag through this mud some more.
You can’t play Mexican standoff because the Dems have an out: the center voter. If they left doesn’t vote them in, the Dems will go to the center to find voters. And a center voter is worth double because it’s a vote for you plus a vote taken away from the GOP.
The Harris campaign tried to appeal to the centrists, and look how that turned out.
She looked at Biden who did left things and what did that get him? Lose the house for years 3 and 4. And polls showed he was going to lose. Aka the left never showed up even after getting some left things.
Harris ran on women’s rights, mf’ing democracy, and while she didn’t say it it was clear there would be continuation of student debt relief, green energy, EVs, infrastructure, etc. But it didn’t work because “it’s the economy, stupid”. The left couldn’t even show up for their own human rights.
I mean, honestly, if you manage to coordinate action on that scale, you’re probably better off either attempting to take over the Dems or start a third party entirely.
Next election isn’t for a year and a half, and there’s no guarantee that it’ll mean anything. If you want to try anything radical in electoral terms, now’s definitely the time to do so. The chances of failure substantially changing our position is… low, unlike previously.
We just saw Progressives not voting for Harris, which lost her the election. The Democrats ignored that.
The good part is that the Democrats have no plan right now. So if anything Progressives should register to primary in better candidates. Also donations, but to individual candidates. This is why New York mattered so much. If Progressives can win, then it is a huge problem for the neoliberals.
Nope. That’s not what happened in 2024. This is victim blaming. Progressives did not cause Harris to lose. Progressives refused to go full Orwell and pretend that Harris was the messiah. They had no problem speaking out about her failures and trying to get her to do better. But in the end, progressives still turned out to vote for her. Harris didn’t even lose because people stayed home. If the voter turnout had been higher Trump would have done even better.
Biden won in 2020 because of two key reasons. First, he had covid helping him. Second, he adopted a lot of policies popular with the working class that would provide direct support to the embattled working and middle classes. Harris abandoned this path and only offered paltry heavily means-tested wonkish tax credits for a handful of people. She certainly wasn’t running on something like Medicare for All.
Yes, progressives shat on Harris in a lot online discussions; she was a deeply flawed candidate. A lot of liberals took a more Orwellian bent, wanting to censor any and all criticism of her. They forget that responding to criticism is the fire that forges strong candidates. Instead they shielded her from criticism, and it just made her look weak.
Harris lost because her policies were so uninspiring that she couldn’t appeal to enough low-engagement voters to get her over the top. The politically active people on the left who spend time talking politics on social media? Yeah, they held their nose and voted for Harris. Her status on Gaza cost her a lot of Muslim votes, but Muslims aren’t hardly a reliably progressive voter base. If it weren’t for the right’s raging Islamophobia, most practicing Muslims would naturally be Republicans. It’s only the right’s historic Islamophobia that gives Democrats any chance with Muslim voters. Naturally, the religious conservatism of most Muslims should fit right in with Republican values. And predictably, as Harris chose to run a campaign leaning in to Islamophobia, Muslim voters found little reason to support her. Resisting Islamophobia is one of the few reasons most Muslims have to support Democrats. If Democrats aren’t going to resist Islamophobia, then Muslims might as well support the party that aligns with more of their beliefs.
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