The following gif demonstrates folding:
Look at Helix and Zed.
Thanks for the recommendations! Helix doesn’t seem to offer this functionality (yet). Unfortunately…
As for Zed, it does seem to be capable of reproducing the functionality found in the gif (or at least to some extent). However, installing it on my distro isn’t pretty. Therefore, I wish to install it at some point, but I’ll wait it out for now.
Zed is the goat
Do you happen to have a lot of experience with other text editors (and/or IDEs)? If so, would you like to chime in and compare Zed to the ones you feel confident talking about?
Thanks in advance!
ED IS THE STANDARD EDITOR
If you’re not trolling, then I’d like to offer my apologies for assuming you were.
Perhaps I shouldn’t feed the trolls, but I couldn’t resist: does
edeven support the functionality demonstrated in the gif above? I’m asking this from a genuine position of ignorance.
If you don’t want to go the Emacs or Vim routes, try Kate. Neovim is amazing but Kate is too from what I hear. Similar support for LSPs.
It’s not that I don’t want to go with Emacs or Neovim. Rather, I want to explore what else is out there.
As for Kate, thank you for its endorsement! I’ve tried Kate since making this post and it[1] has been the only one which has yielded a desirable result. I can wholeheartedly attest to its quality.
Together with KDevelop. Though it has to be noted that KDevelop IIUC seems to rely on Kate for this functionality. ↩︎
Will probably get airstriked for this, but Zed is also a option.
Also, if you’re using GNOME, then try GNOME builder. And if you’re using KDE, then try KDevelop or Kate.
Thank you for your recommendations!
Hopefully I’ll get around to take Zed for a test drive in the near future.
As for GNOME Builder, for some reason, I wasn’t able to replicate what’s seen above with it. Perhaps it doesn’t support Markdown that well. Or…, it needs/requires a plugin to do its bidding. Would you happen to know more on this? Any help is appreciated!
KDevelop and Kate, on the other hand, have been a very pleasant surprise. I have literally checked about a dozen of text editors since yesterday, and these two have been the only ones that have yielded the desired result. Props and kudos to the dev team!
tbf, i love zed and using it for big stuff and neovim for basic scripts is the perfect balance for me
i’ve heard that some people love using kate because, with some plugins, it really can do all most people need. i’ve seen a dude make a video on it but would need some time to find it again if there was any interest.
Others have given you many options, but I would like to know why Nvim or Emacs are not good options for you?
No no, don’t get me wrong. I think both Emacs and Neovim are excellent. And this little endeavor/search/pursuit has (perhaps more than anything) solidified (and gave context as to) why they’re in their own league.
Like, I’ve tried about a dozen of text editors in last couple of days. And with most[1] of them I’ve failed to reproduce the functionality demonstrated in the gif.
But even the very best of what I’ve tried since making this post pales -or at least seems to be*- in terms of extensibility. And, when we add in Emacs’ proven[2] longevity, it becomes hard to root for any of the alternatives. At least…, so far*.
Still, I had to answer for myself if committing to Emacs (or Neovim for that matter) was justified given the fact that I had not a lot of experience with text editors 😅. Like, as funny as it sounds, I’ve moved from Word+StickyNotes to (GNOME’s) Text Editor to a bunch[3] of Markdown text editors to Emacs. And the switch to Emacs was mostly motivated when I saw Obsidian do the very thing you see in the gif 😂. But as cool as learning the ropes of Emacs was, I think I was experiencing some impostor syndrome shenanigans.
Thankfully, it seems that this has mostly served to be a huge motivation boost. Perhaps I was (more than) ready to conquer Emacs all along…
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I have to agree with the positivism surrounding Kate. It has been the only one (together with KDevelop) out of the 5 text editors I’ve installed and tested since yesterday that actually did what I desired from it. Props to the devs! Let’s see if it can dethrone Emacs 😜.
Emacs will always be abe to do things you can’t do with other editors. It’s a text based interface toolkit that happens to also have a good text editor and IDE capability. Buuut, you need to spend a lot of time to set things up. I use it since probably more than 20 years and I still often need to look up and learn stuff. If you want a tool and not a workshop, get a simpler editor.
Kate,kdevelop,xed,mousepad,gnome builder.,notepad next(clone notepad++)
That’s a lot of options! Thank you.
On windows: Notepad++. On Linux-based OS: Kate. And there’s also JetBrains Fleet, that is jetbrains answer to vscode.
Kate is for Windows and Mac as well
Thank you!
I tested Notepad Next, which seems to be Notepad++’ cross-platform alternative. However, I wasn’t able to get the folding functionality on a Markdown file. Am I doing something wrong?
I’ve tried Kate since yesterday, it has been one of the better ones for now.
JetBrains Fleet seems like a cool project. But I’ll probably wait until it’s open sourced. Thanks anyways!
Also notepad++ on wine on Linux … Not my favorite but it’s there
Yeah… but why? Kate is better in about every way. And while we’re on the topic, Kate is also available on the windows store, with a real Windows build.
Ya I agree with this
Geany(Its a lightweight GTK Based IDE)
Too low on the list
Thank you!
Question: According to this table, Geany’s capabilities might leave some to desire when it comes to code/text folding. Is this correct? Or is the table simply outdated?
Yw and I think it’s up to date that list (i just looked at article last updater)
Thank you for confirming my suspicions. I took it for a test run and wasn’t able to replicate the above functionality either. Hopefully it’s an error on my side, but it’s very possible that I will not stick to Geany.
There’s also Zed. And helix.
Amongst all the other great alts here
Also neovim is really dope! Just have to throw that there
There’s also Zed.
Noted. Thank you!
And helix.
I believe this doesn’t have folding (yet). Unfortunately.
Also neovim is really dope! Just have to throw that there
xD , Neovim is definitely pretty cool.
I use Zed as my primary editor these days. It’s just about ready for prime time!
(Source: 12 years of web and Linux hacking)
By admission of my fellow Lemmy-users, I’ve gone and tried out many text editors over the course of the past few days. Unfortunately, I didn’t like the installation options for Zed in my current distro of choice (i.e. Fedora):
- its flatpak is unverified
- not found in Fedora’s own repos
It is found within Terra’s repos. However, users report that -at least for Zed- some of the installed packages from Fedora’s own repo are replaced by Terra’s. This interaction can be prevented by giving preference for Fedora’s own packages, but it seems like a can of worms I’m not very interested to engage with at the moment. Hopefully this situation will be resolved rather sooner than later.
Anyhow, have you got the chance to work with Emacs and/or Kate over the years? If so, could you chime in and give your thoughts on how Zed fares in comparison? Please note that I’m (mostly) asking within the confines of a relatively simple text editor used to take notes with.
Honestly I never really got into using any of the terminal based editors- I like a pretty GUI, personally.
That being said I have been a KDE user for the last couple of years and actually have quite a favourable view on Kate. It’s a very competent editor with a great deal of extensibility.
The big difference between the two is their focus. Zed is written to be targeted at developers and as such has some capabilities that Kate doesn’t (afaik) like an AI assistant panel, handling multi megabyte text files with grace, and being able to directly connect to remote file systems over SSH.
If you’re not looking for those features I think you’d be very happy with Kate!
There’s got to be a Micro plug-in for this.
WAIT, if I’m reading this right, it’s had code folding since last year: https://github.com/zyedidia/micro/pull/2942
I’m gonna try this right nowThanks a lot for putting in the work! Uhmm…, how has testing been? Were you able to pull this off with Markdown?
I remember something called lapce too
Edit 0: https://github.com/lapce/lapce
Thank you for mentioning Lapce!
I have been interested in Lapce for a long time. Unfortunately, IIUC, it doesn’t support folding Markdown headings as shown in the gif. At least, I wasn’t able to get it to work. Can you attest to this? Or am I doing something wrong? Your aid would be much appreciated!
SublimeText?
Looks cool. Thanks!
Uhmm…, did I understand correctly that it’s not open source?
Not op but no it’s not.
Thank you for the clarification!
While I didn’t mention it explicitly in the post, I do intend to stick to open source.
Sublime Text is not open-source but it has a sane price and a WinRAR-style trial. I use it because it feels a lot snappier than other editors/IDEs I’ve tried when browsing large files.
On the one hand, it’s a shame that it’s not open-source, but on the other hand, developers have to make a living from something.
On the one hand, it’s a shame that it’s not open-source, but on the other hand, developers have to make a living from something.
I’m pretty sure most people here, at least I hope, who use open source and free software directly money donate to developers. I know of plenty of developers who do get paid writing open source through such donations or via funding, e.g. NLNet or grants. Maybe I’m misunderstanding your statement, are you saying Sublime Text isn’t open source because they believe those ways are not appropriate for them?
I wrote a whole comment in which I mused about the reason why Sublime Text isn’t open-source. However, a brief search found one developer’s answer: They just don’t think that typical FOSS funding is sustainable for their particular project.
FWIW I’m donating every month to CodeMirror author, donates to Vim, etc. I’m not saying they are wrong, nor right, solely that implying (but maybe I misunderstood the comment) that somehow open-source and getting paid are antagonist is IMHO damaging to FLOSS broadly.
I use it because it feels a lot snappier than other editors/IDEs I’ve tried when browsing large files.
Snappiness is definitely something I appreciate. So, if it blows everything else out of the water in this respect, that I might have to concede. Thank you for mentioning this particular aspect of it!
On the one hand, it’s a shame that it’s not open-source, but on the other hand, developers have to make a living from something.
I wholeheartedly agree. But, I prefer the capability to donate to the open-source software developers that I love to support.
It’s definitely not faster than vim, fwiw.
Thank you for this crucial piece of information! Much appreciated!
As such, Sublime Text has (kinda) lost all of its relevancy for me.
I wholeheartedly agree. But, I prefer the capability to donate to the open-source software developers that I love to support.
Right indeed, not sure why it was implied that open source software couldn’t be a financially viable option for developers too.
Couldn’t agree more.
Btw, I would like to take this chance to thank you and @winety@lemmy.zip for the civil, respectful, engaging and informative conversation you were having elsewhere!
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If I said I knew exactly what I was talking about, I’d be lying. But it’s generally accepted that funding of open-source is not in an ideal state.
Textadept!.
Yet another one I’ve never heard of before. Thank you so much for mentioning it!
You might have a look at LEO:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_(text_editor)
I used it extensively for some time to write big documentation. It is good.
But I’d guess that for most tasks, Emacs org-mode is the most powerful option.
Interesting. First time reading about it*. Were it not for you, this might have been completely off the radar. So thank you for mentioning it!
But I’d guess that for most tasks, Emacs org-mode is the most powerful option.
Yeah, it has been slowly growing on me 😜. But I would like to explore all other options before I fully commit.
What makes LEO great for consistent larger documentation is that one can write things like footnotes or a glossary in nodes which can be linked into multiple pages - much like files witj multiple hard links in a file system.
Also, it can re-read exported generated files into a structured outline, which is managed under version control.
Also, good support for literate programming, which is Don Knuth’s perhaps greatest idea.
Yeah, it has been slowly growing on me 😜. But I would like to explore all other options before I fully commit.
You’ve already discovered the best editor. There’s no need to explore more. ;)
You’ve already discovered the best editor. There’s no need to explore more. ;)
Hehe 😜. Perhaps the purpose of this exploration is to cement the idea that I’m already on the best 😂. We’ll see 😉.
