Condescension and gatekeeping is never okay. If a woman did this to a man, I would defend the man. So it’s not a double standard.
It’s just that women frequently deal with this when they partake in male-centric hobbies. When this happens, there’s often some element of misogyny at play. So it’s okay for us to point out that specific situation and say it’s frustrating, and doing so doesn’t mean we’re saying this has never happened to men, nor that it’s morally virtuous for women in subcultures to condescend to men.
Also, this culture war thing is so exhausting. Everyone reads between lines and assumes the worst in everyone.
I meant if a woman asked this same woman the exact same question, would it be ok? Or is it a problem ONLY because a man asked the question to a woman? I’ve had men and women both ask me patronzing gatekeeping questions, jackasses are not limited to one sex.
I wasn’t replying to you to challenge your answer, I was just clarifying my original question. I would like to think you would say it would be an issue regardless of the gender of who asked. My original question is scrutinizing the original post’s intention as there are two issues present in the situation presented and at least on the surface they seem to take more of an issue because it was a man who asked. So If a woman asked that same woman the same question would she still respond with “Name 5 woman who trust you?” Just because a man is gatekeeping doesn’t mean he’s doing it only becausae she is a woman, he could just be a jackass who is gatekeeping and assuming he’s doing it only because they are a woman is reverse sexism.
It’s a little upsetting isn’t it? If it was about ending sexism it would be witchesVSsexism. Unfortunately it’s VSpatriarchy and some people view that as VSmen, not VS"a system of social structures and norms that prioritize men and male perspectives". I’d rather fight sexism as a whole than fuel manosphere content with tit for that clap backs but what do I know?
“Reverse sexism.” Okay, so women can never point out hurtful things that might be sexist because it’s sexist against men to point out sexism. No recourse, then? Got it. So, I belive this user is coming at this question in bad faith, as his mind is seemingly made up on what he thinks, so that first question was actually a statement, rather than genuinely asking how we’d respond to the roles being reversed.
If that’s not the case, my mistake. If it is, please go to a different community with this stuff. Your side won the culture war. My side can no longer use our first amendment rights in public peacefully without having the National Guard called. Just leave us in peace in our tiny corners of the internet we have left until my country’s government decides that is also illegal.
On the other side of the spectrum I’ve owned and worn band clothes without even knowing they were band clothes. They were second hand and I liked the logos.
Just checking, if woman asked the exact same question would that be ok? Gatekeeping happens on both sides, not sure how this a male only issue.
Condescension and gatekeeping is never okay. If a woman did this to a man, I would defend the man. So it’s not a double standard.
It’s just that women frequently deal with this when they partake in male-centric hobbies. When this happens, there’s often some element of misogyny at play. So it’s okay for us to point out that specific situation and say it’s frustrating, and doing so doesn’t mean we’re saying this has never happened to men, nor that it’s morally virtuous for women in subcultures to condescend to men.
Also, this culture war thing is so exhausting. Everyone reads between lines and assumes the worst in everyone.
You mean if a woman insinuated you weren’t a real fan by asking you to prove you know more than 5 tracks? Sure, man. That’d be real bad.
Hey, does anyone remember when Morgan Webb was being harassed online for being a fake gamer girl while Adam Sessler wasn’t?
I meant if a woman asked this same woman the exact same question, would it be ok? Or is it a problem ONLY because a man asked the question to a woman? I’ve had men and women both ask me patronzing gatekeeping questions, jackasses are not limited to one sex.
How does that change the equation?
Let’s try this: what do you think I would say.
I wasn’t replying to you to challenge your answer, I was just clarifying my original question. I would like to think you would say it would be an issue regardless of the gender of who asked. My original question is scrutinizing the original post’s intention as there are two issues present in the situation presented and at least on the surface they seem to take more of an issue because it was a man who asked. So If a woman asked that same woman the same question would she still respond with “Name 5 woman who trust you?” Just because a man is gatekeeping doesn’t mean he’s doing it only becausae she is a woman, he could just be a jackass who is gatekeeping and assuming he’s doing it only because they are a woman is reverse sexism.
It’s a little upsetting isn’t it? If it was about ending sexism it would be witchesVSsexism. Unfortunately it’s VSpatriarchy and some people view that as VSmen, not VS"a system of social structures and norms that prioritize men and male perspectives". I’d rather fight sexism as a whole than fuel manosphere content with tit for that clap backs but what do I know?
“Reverse sexism.” Okay, so women can never point out hurtful things that might be sexist because it’s sexist against men to point out sexism. No recourse, then? Got it. So, I belive this user is coming at this question in bad faith, as his mind is seemingly made up on what he thinks, so that first question was actually a statement, rather than genuinely asking how we’d respond to the roles being reversed.
If that’s not the case, my mistake. If it is, please go to a different community with this stuff. Your side won the culture war. My side can no longer use our first amendment rights in public peacefully without having the National Guard called. Just leave us in peace in our tiny corners of the internet we have left until my country’s government decides that is also illegal.
I mean, if I’m wearing a band’s shirt I’ll probably know five of their songs so sure.
On the other side of the spectrum I’ve owned and worn band clothes without even knowing they were band clothes. They were second hand and I liked the logos.
Yes! Who can even name five people they trust!?
Not really, but the issue is about how toxic misogynistic males frequently do this, not the fact that the string of events that have occurred
It’s just way way way way worse for women that’s all.