Your politicians gut everything resembling a healthcare system, education system, energy infrastructure or useful industry, things that would actually allow you to create a healthy, innovative and powerful military.
You seem to suggest that a powerful military is a good thing then. Maybe it is. If Ukraine’s military had been more powerful (e.g. if they had been admitted to NATO) then Russia may never have been able to take Ukrainian land, or kill so many Ukrainian civilians.
you will get a small amount of overbudget and late weapons that will be shipped off to kill people in the middle East
I don’t believe in the UK harming anybody in the Middle East. I hope the UK doesn’t do that. I don’t see plans from the UK government that involve harming people in the Middle East with the UK military.
You seem to suggest that a powerful military is a good thing then.
It is a good thing if only it is used for defensive purposes. Other than WW2, the UK has practically never seen a defensive war. However, I am using your logic here. You want a powerful military for “national security”. I am telling you that your politicians are not creating a powerful military.
I don’t believe in the UK harming anybody in the Middle East.
Then you are not keeping up with the news. The UK has provided a lot of arms to the occupation in Palestine and runs daily reconnaissance missions for them. Furthermore, the UK has been a willing partner of America in its war on terror.
The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were probably wrong (I don’t know enough about them really).
In any case I don’t think the UK is planning new military action in the Middle East. Starmer recently criticised Israel for its conduct in Gaza. Maybe we will see more criticism from the UK on that topic.
On the topic of Russia though, I think they do pose a threat to Europe. They’ve been waging war against Ukraine for over a decade now, and senior military figures across Europe think that Russia might try to attack another European country in a few years time.
You keep talking about the Middle East. I hope Israel stops its war against Palestine. The UK shouldn’t assist Israel’s attacks on Palestine. I think Israel has a right to defend itself (and so does Palestine), e.g. with the Iron Dome system, but I don’t think Israel should be harming any civilians in Palestine.
I think that’s a separate issue from the UK and its allies spending more on defence in order to protect themselves from Russia, though.
I think they’re two separate issues, because it is perfectly possible for the UK to increase its defence capabilities, while also refraining from attacks upon the Middle East, and refraining from giving support to attacks on the Middle East.
It’s absolutely possible for the UK to increase its defence spending while also not harming civilians, in the Middle East or anywhere else.
By your logic, no country should have a military, because a military creates a risk of harming civilians. I’m sure that would be great if we lived in a world with no militaries. But then one tyrant could decide he’s going to build a military and then he could go and massacre lots of people who wouldn’t be able to defend themselves, because they wouldn’t have a military.
It shouldn’t exist to begin with and genocide is not self defense. I can’t come into your house, murder your family, lock you in your basement without food or water then cry self defense when you attack me for it.
The only defenders in this situation are the Palestinian people.
You could say it’s wrong that Israel was established by, as far as I’m aware, taking land by force. But probably most countries were established that way.
I’ve been thinking that maybe there should be a single state in the land of Israel/Palestine with citizenship given to everybody who currently lives there. But from what I’ve read, Israelis and Palestinians prefer a two-state solution, so maybe that should be pursued instead.
genocide is not self defense
I’m not saying that Israeli attacks on Gaza are self-defence. Attacks on civilians are definitely not self-defence. I specifically mentioned Iron Dome as a form of self-defence, a system which tries to take out missiles that are fired into Israel.
The only defenders in this situation are the Palestinian people
It’s possible to acknowledge that Israel’s current behaviour towards Gaza is very wrong, while also acknowledging that Israel has had rockets and missiles fired at them, from Hamas and Iran if I remember right.
Obviously the people who are suffering the most at the moment are Gazans, because Israel has stopped food from getting into Gaza, and Israel keeps bombing Gaza, which is killing civilians. This is obviously the most pressing issue. I just think that ideally no civilians would be harmed or killed, whether it’s those suffering in Gaza at the moment, or whether it’s Palestinians in the West Bank, or whether it’s Israeli civilians.
I’ve been thinking that maybe there should be a single state in the land of Israel/Palestine with citizenship given to everybody who currently lives there.
Ok cool so you side with Hamas and the PFLP and understand that they are not fighting a people they are fighting a genocidal colonizer project.
We can literally end this right there. You just basically arrived accidentally at the thing we have been advocating for the whole fucking time.
I specifically mentioned Iron Dome as a form of self-defence
I can’t come into your house, murder your family, lock you in your basement without food or water then cry self defense when you attack me for it.
or whether it’s Israeli civilians.
There are no Israeli civilians aside from those unable to serve in the IDF because they are imprisoned for not doing so. All casualties of children there are the fault of their parents for choosing to be a part of a genocidal settler colonial project.
I have no more sympathy for them than I do my own ancestors who killed and displaced indigenous people in America.
You are close to getting it but need to let go of some racist brainworms.
No I don’t side with Hamas. Hamas went into Israel and murdered over 1,000 people. I don’t think Israelis or Palestinians should be killed.
settler colonial project
What’s your solution for Israel/Palestine? Should Jews never have moved to Mandatory Palestine? Should Jews have been prevented from moving to Mandatory Palestine? Should they now be expelled from Israel/Palestine?
What I suggested in my previous post is “maybe there should be a single state in the land of Israel/Palestine with citizenship given to everybody who currently lives there”. But would it be wrong in your view to give Jews citizenship in this hypothetical state, if the Jews are indeed colonial settlers?
You seem to suggest that a powerful military is a good thing then. Maybe it is. If Ukraine’s military had been more powerful (e.g. if they had been admitted to NATO) then Russia may never have been able to take Ukrainian land, or kill so many Ukrainian civilians.
I don’t believe in the UK harming anybody in the Middle East. I hope the UK doesn’t do that. I don’t see plans from the UK government that involve harming people in the Middle East with the UK military.
It is a good thing if only it is used for defensive purposes. Other than WW2, the UK has practically never seen a defensive war. However, I am using your logic here. You want a powerful military for “national security”. I am telling you that your politicians are not creating a powerful military.
Then you are not keeping up with the news. The UK has provided a lot of arms to the occupation in Palestine and runs daily reconnaissance missions for them. Furthermore, the UK has been a willing partner of America in its war on terror.
The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were probably wrong (I don’t know enough about them really).
In any case I don’t think the UK is planning new military action in the Middle East. Starmer recently criticised Israel for its conduct in Gaza. Maybe we will see more criticism from the UK on that topic.
On the topic of Russia though, I think they do pose a threat to Europe. They’ve been waging war against Ukraine for over a decade now, and senior military figures across Europe think that Russia might try to attack another European country in a few years time.
You’re basing this on what? And who said that the UK’s future aggression will only be limited to the middle east?
Congratulations for the mildly worded letter while still providing military parts and daily reconossaince missions I guess.
You keep talking about the Middle East. I hope Israel stops its war against Palestine. The UK shouldn’t assist Israel’s attacks on Palestine. I think Israel has a right to defend itself (and so does Palestine), e.g. with the Iron Dome system, but I don’t think Israel should be harming any civilians in Palestine.
I think that’s a separate issue from the UK and its allies spending more on defence in order to protect themselves from Russia, though.
It very much isn’t. You don’t have 2 seperate militaries, one for defense against Russia and one for use against everyone else.
I think they’re two separate issues, because it is perfectly possible for the UK to increase its defence capabilities, while also refraining from attacks upon the Middle East, and refraining from giving support to attacks on the Middle East.
This is for a hypothetical UK that has divested from the imperial system in west asia, a hypothetical UK that does not exist.
It’s absolutely possible for the UK to increase its defence spending while also not harming civilians, in the Middle East or anywhere else.
By your logic, no country should have a military, because a military creates a risk of harming civilians. I’m sure that would be great if we lived in a world with no militaries. But then one tyrant could decide he’s going to build a military and then he could go and massacre lots of people who wouldn’t be able to defend themselves, because they wouldn’t have a military.
It shouldn’t exist to begin with and genocide is not self defense. I can’t come into your house, murder your family, lock you in your basement without food or water then cry self defense when you attack me for it.
The only defenders in this situation are the Palestinian people.
You could say it’s wrong that Israel was established by, as far as I’m aware, taking land by force. But probably most countries were established that way.
I’ve been thinking that maybe there should be a single state in the land of Israel/Palestine with citizenship given to everybody who currently lives there. But from what I’ve read, Israelis and Palestinians prefer a two-state solution, so maybe that should be pursued instead.
I’m not saying that Israeli attacks on Gaza are self-defence. Attacks on civilians are definitely not self-defence. I specifically mentioned Iron Dome as a form of self-defence, a system which tries to take out missiles that are fired into Israel.
It’s possible to acknowledge that Israel’s current behaviour towards Gaza is very wrong, while also acknowledging that Israel has had rockets and missiles fired at them, from Hamas and Iran if I remember right.
Obviously the people who are suffering the most at the moment are Gazans, because Israel has stopped food from getting into Gaza, and Israel keeps bombing Gaza, which is killing civilians. This is obviously the most pressing issue. I just think that ideally no civilians would be harmed or killed, whether it’s those suffering in Gaza at the moment, or whether it’s Palestinians in the West Bank, or whether it’s Israeli civilians.
Ok cool so you side with Hamas and the PFLP and understand that they are not fighting a people they are fighting a genocidal colonizer project.
We can literally end this right there. You just basically arrived accidentally at the thing we have been advocating for the whole fucking time.
I can’t come into your house, murder your family, lock you in your basement without food or water then cry self defense when you attack me for it.
There are no Israeli civilians aside from those unable to serve in the IDF because they are imprisoned for not doing so. All casualties of children there are the fault of their parents for choosing to be a part of a genocidal settler colonial project.
I have no more sympathy for them than I do my own ancestors who killed and displaced indigenous people in America.
You are close to getting it but need to let go of some racist brainworms.
No I don’t side with Hamas. Hamas went into Israel and murdered over 1,000 people. I don’t think Israelis or Palestinians should be killed.
What’s your solution for Israel/Palestine? Should Jews never have moved to Mandatory Palestine? Should Jews have been prevented from moving to Mandatory Palestine? Should they now be expelled from Israel/Palestine?
What I suggested in my previous post is “maybe there should be a single state in the land of Israel/Palestine with citizenship given to everybody who currently lives there”. But would it be wrong in your view to give Jews citizenship in this hypothetical state, if the Jews are indeed colonial settlers?