Anyone sane would agree with you. This is “war”
between oligarchs and the very rich. It shouldn’t involve everyone else. I’d like to see gladiatorial solutions to conflicts. Put Starmer in a cage with Putin if they really want to wage “war” on each other. I’m sure most Russians don’t want war and just want to go about their lives like the rest of us.
The point I’m trying to make is that Ukraine was invaded, and the people there are trying to defend their homes and families from the invading army. They’re not fighting because some rich oligarch told them to.
Then who triggered the invasion? A whole race of evil Russians who do it because… because… they’re evil Russians? I don’t think so.
Wars are always caused by the ruling classes whether oligarchs, millionaires, aristocrats or whomever. They don’t end up fighting but leave it up
to the ordinary people to give their lives. Those Ukrainians dying are certainly not the rich. Ukrainian rich are all in places like the South of France and LA.
Putin triggered the invasion by ordering it. It’s really not as complex as you’re making out. If my neighbourhood was being invaded, I’d like to think I’d take up arms to defend it rather than sitting around complaining about oligarchs. But you do you.
A bit like all those young men slaughtered in the World Wars (and about every war, really). When the lord of the manor or the king or your priest tells you to sign up and fight, you fight to defend their property. When foreign armies invade, they’re not after the houses and property of the poor or to take over local communities for some vague reason. They’re commanded to go after after the land and property of the rich (for their king or oligarch). It’s not hard to understand that. But, as you say, you go and do you and die for your abstract country, king and god.
So when the Nazis were sweeping through Eastern Europe, burning down people’s homes, sending people to death camps… anyone who resisted that was, in your opinion, a toadying bootlicker who just wanted to keep the oligarchs happy. Am I getting it right?
Do you mean nazis or German soldiers? There is - if you know your history - quite a difference. But, to answer your question, yes. A bit like British conscripts going off to fight and it being drilled into them to follow orders along with the threat of being shot if they didn’t follow orders. You seem to forget that the Allies also committed terrible atrocities on the European mainland in both wars. I don’t think ordinary people - German, Russian or British - are inherently evil and bloodthirsty in the way you seem to. But I do think that tools like propaganda and patriotism can be used to manipulate and coerce.
Anyone sane would agree with you. This is “war” between oligarchs and the very rich. It shouldn’t involve everyone else. I’d like to see gladiatorial solutions to conflicts. Put Starmer in a cage with Putin if they really want to wage “war” on each other. I’m sure most Russians don’t want war and just want to go about their lives like the rest of us.
TIL everyone who’s died in Ukraine so far is a rich oligarch.
Not quite sure what point you’re trying to make but maybe read what I wrote with a little more care perhaps?
The point I’m trying to make is that Ukraine was invaded, and the people there are trying to defend their homes and families from the invading army. They’re not fighting because some rich oligarch told them to.
Then who triggered the invasion? A whole race of evil Russians who do it because… because… they’re evil Russians? I don’t think so.
Wars are always caused by the ruling classes whether oligarchs, millionaires, aristocrats or whomever. They don’t end up fighting but leave it up to the ordinary people to give their lives. Those Ukrainians dying are certainly not the rich. Ukrainian rich are all in places like the South of France and LA.
Putin triggered the invasion by ordering it. It’s really not as complex as you’re making out. If my neighbourhood was being invaded, I’d like to think I’d take up arms to defend it rather than sitting around complaining about oligarchs. But you do you.
A bit like all those young men slaughtered in the World Wars (and about every war, really). When the lord of the manor or the king or your priest tells you to sign up and fight, you fight to defend their property. When foreign armies invade, they’re not after the houses and property of the poor or to take over local communities for some vague reason. They’re commanded to go after after the land and property of the rich (for their king or oligarch). It’s not hard to understand that. But, as you say, you go and do you and die for your abstract country, king and god.
So when the Nazis were sweeping through Eastern Europe, burning down people’s homes, sending people to death camps… anyone who resisted that was, in your opinion, a toadying bootlicker who just wanted to keep the oligarchs happy. Am I getting it right?
Do you mean nazis or German soldiers? There is - if you know your history - quite a difference. But, to answer your question, yes. A bit like British conscripts going off to fight and it being drilled into them to follow orders along with the threat of being shot if they didn’t follow orders. You seem to forget that the Allies also committed terrible atrocities on the European mainland in both wars. I don’t think ordinary people - German, Russian or British - are inherently evil and bloodthirsty in the way you seem to. But I do think that tools like propaganda and patriotism can be used to manipulate and coerce.