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  • [deleted]@piefed.world
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    15 days ago

    Being mtf or ftm trans is conforming to gender stereotypes with extra steps. Abolishing gender stereotypes and letting everyone express themselves however they want would be far better for society overall.

    I don’t mean that in a negative way and fully support respecting self identification because that has the best outcomes in the real world.

    • Walk_blesseD@piefed.blahaj.zone
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      15 days ago

      Sure, but if you’re gonna claim that trans people having either binary gender identity is necessarily conformity to gender stereotypes, then you need to accept that a cis person being either a man or a woman is even more so.

      • [deleted]@piefed.world
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        15 days ago

        So the thing is, deviating from the norm is always going to be a bigger thing that just going with the flow.

        There are masculine women, feminine men, and a wide spectrum in between. Many drag queens are playing the role of exaggerated gender stereotypes without identifying as a woman outside their act. A woman wearing pants was a huge thing in the US in the last century and that was just about not needing to follow gender norms separate from self identification. Cis doesn’t mean actively choosing to conform to gender stereotypes, it just means accepting the label society slapped on the person.

    • zqps@sh.itjust.works
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      15 days ago

      You don’t actually know that. You can identify as male, female, nonbinary, agender, genderfluid etc. all while conforming or not conforming to male or female gender stereotypes. One is intrinsic, the other extrinsic.

      • Canaconda@lemmy.ca
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        14 days ago

        The fact that you have to define yourself as conforming or non-conforming is what’s being griped here.